Do it in the pants that you wear.

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Yes, I said it and I'd say it again.
The issue at hand was uncovered yesterday while taking a family walk, including two large dogs, on the walking/biking paths in our town. Being a smaller city we have a generally low crime rate but there are always exceptions. I've had my CC permit for several years now and carry whenever possible, per the laws in our State. So being a State employee I can't carry at work. Can't carry when I pick our daughters up from school, soccer practice, Beta Club, dances, Mexican donkey shows and so forth.
Anyway...
Back to the walk. On the way out the door I shoved my M&P Shield, wrapped in a De Santis pocket holster, into my pocket. Also grabbed a collapsible baton to keep other dogs at bay. Did you know that it is illegal for a civilian the use a baton against another person? That is my understanding anyway.
So off the six of us go! It was a lovely spring day, one of the two or three we get before summer rolls in with oppressive heat and humidity. As is my habit I will practice a partial draw of the handgun while I'm out. Just to make sure it is accessible and will reliably lift from the holster and smoothly exit the pocket. As the oldest daughter was falling off her bike and the wife was being dragged across the grass by one of the said canines, I slipped my hand in my pocket, grasped the firearm and attempted a partial draw.
It wouldn't come out of my pocket. :eek: The pockets in the pants were stitched so that the butt of the grip caught a "void" between the seams and would not come out no matter how hard I pulled. :cuss:Finally had to fold the holster taco style and extract it from the offending pocket, remove the firearm, shove the holster in my back pocket and drop the pistol in a front pocket. This could have gotten someone, or someones, shot if it had been a life or death moment. Truthfully it was quite a shock, this had never been an issue with any other style pant.
Moral of the story, practice drawing in the clothes that you wear out into the real world, just to be safe.
 
Since I always have a pocket gun on me, usually as a backup, I never buy any pants that has pockets too small for drawing a holstered gun.

Here is my acid test while shopping; While sifting through the pants rack I insert my fist into the pocket. Then I open up my hand and spread all fingers and thumb as far as they can spread without being restricted. If so, then I buy them. If not, I’ll pass no matter how much I like them or how good the price may be.

This test had yet to fail for the guns and holsters that I use.

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I teach a four hour block on plainclothes investigator safety. Getting detectives to practice in the duds they regularly wear for the first time is a real eye opener for sure. That nicely fitted suit jacket looks great in court, but it can feel like an octopus is wrapped around you when you draw a gun (or a baton) and/or have to reach one-handed for a reload magazine.

Its always best to get in some good practice when you can with the clothing and cover garments you wear :thumbup:.

Stay safe.
 
I choose my handguns and holsters to fit my clothing and activities:

The 44 and this holster are for the bib pocket of the tan, black, and grey overalls when I am required to wear them.

This 38 and this holster are for the cargo pockets of shorts, but it needs that holster for cargo pants when the weather is cooler.

And so forth.

I have half a dozen or so carry pieces (all DAO with no safety) and various extra holsters.

If I like some shorts or pants or overalls, I buy several pairs in different colors so the pockets are the same (and because it makes shopping easier).

Some folks prefer to dress around their regular carry piece. I get that. It makes sense.

I prefer to fit the appropriate handgun and carry location for my clothing and activities.

My chief concerns are unobstructed draw, ease of draw, and quickness of draw.

I never have troubles as mentioned by the OP. The holster and handgun always fit the pocket correctly. The handgun is located appropriately for the activity, such as sitting, walking, driving, hiking, etc. I have practiced drawing that handgun from that holster and that pocket many times.

As an example, my friend always carries IWB. Drawing and firing is allowed at his range. (Bad idea, imho.) It was eye-opening for him when we compared him drawing his LCR from under his coat to me drawing my LCR from my breast pocket. I can also draw it quickly while sitting or driving.
 
I hate pocket carry. It's slow, weighs me down, and I do not like extra junk in my pockets. It also limits what you can wear if you try and pocket carry a gun as large as the Shield. I carry on my hip with a gun belt whether it's a micro gun or not. The only gun I may carry in a jacket pocket if a revolver with a concealed hammer which allows me to fire from the pocket.

Also, if I was being robbed, the first thing they would do would be to go through or have me empty out my pockets. At the very least they are going to pat your pockets to see if anything is in there. I'm originally from Bronx, NY (NYC). I've been rob back in 1997. I've seen others and know of others who have been robbed. Pocket carry just isn't for me and does not seem ideal, but to each their own. To me it's only one step up from purse carry, and of course if a woman is robbed, the first thing that the thief will be fixated on is her purse.

I know others will disagree, and that's okay. It's great that we all have choices.
 
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Glad that everything worked out totally fine. Use caution when drawing a handgun in public.
My thought for that situation would be to leave it concealed and recognize it was not accessible.

That is why I call it a Partial Draw. The weapon never leaves my pocket, just the butt of the grip covered by the drawing hand, to be sure it will be usable if needed.
The quick change-over from holster to naked gun in pocket was worth the small risk to have the weapon accessible
 
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I choose my handguns and holsters to fit my clothing and activities:

The 44 and this holster are for the bib pocket of the tan, black, and grey overalls when I am required to wear them.

This 38 and this holster are for the cargo pockets of shorts, but it needs that holster for cargo pants when the weather is cooler.

And so forth.

I have half a dozen or so carry pieces (all DAO with no safety) and various extra holsters.

If I like some shorts or pants or overalls, I buy several pairs in different colors so the pockets are the same (and because it makes shopping easier).

Some folks prefer to dress around their regular carry piece. I get that. It makes sense.

I prefer to fit the appropriate handgun and carry location for my clothing and activities.

My chief concerns are unobstructed draw, ease of draw, and quickness of draw.

I never have troubles as mentioned by the OP. The holster and handgun always fit the pocket correctly. The handgun is located appropriately for the activity, such as sitting, walking, driving, hiking, etc. I have practiced drawing that handgun from that holster and that pocket many times.

As an example, my friend always carries IWB. Drawing and firing is allowed at his range. (Bad idea, imho.) It was eye-opening for him when we compared him drawing his LCR from under his coat to me drawing my LCR from my breast pocket. I can also draw it quickly while sitting or driving.

Looks like you hit all the high points. Wish I had such a wide range of options. Have never fired the LCP, the Glock is a chunk, the 6" King Cobra is a heavier chunk, the .25 Raven is worse than useless and I don't feel like the the Walther .22 is good choice. The heavier pistols pull my pants down, with all the extra flesh from weight loss IWB and OWB pinch, scrape AND pull my pants down! Ugh! It is a pain to be an old fat dude.
Have four holsters just for the Shield and the pocket carry is the only option that is comfortable and secure enough to carry in public.
The Remora is nice but tends to slide down towards my nethers, making it crowded and difficult to reach.
 
[QUOTE="Twisted Chemist, post: 12240547, member: 279936"The heavier pistols pull my pants down, with all the extra flesh from weight loss IWB and OWB pinch, scrape AND pull my pants down! Ugh! It is a pain to be an old fat dude.

Perry Tool Belt Suspenders Bro. You'll thank me. The TOOL Belt suspenders have an elastic strap in the back for some give

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Uhhhh, thanks but not sure that is a fashion I could pull off.
 
Perry Tool Belt Suspenders Bro. You'll thank me. The TOOL Belt suspenders have an elastic strap in the back for some give



Uhhhh, thanks but not sure that is a fashion I could pull off.[/QUOTE]

That was my first thought as well. But since pocket carry is 90% backup for me, I’m wearing a loose cover shirt for belt carry concealment, so I’d be able to cover the suspenders.

Since I have no butt, my pants/shorts are always sagging because of the load I’m carrying: On belt, EDC X 9, spare mag , the big iPhone, and a knife.
In my pockets: Rohrbaugh R9, spare mag, and a wallet. That’s a heap of weight. I’m going to look into those suspenders.

I’ve been carrying fo almost 50 years and I have learned that changing things up can be good.
 
I've seen folks show up to train wearing the full tacticool getup. I've even been made fun of for wearing Sperry Topsiders and an old Hawaiian shirt. The obvious response is "This is what I'll be wearing on the typical SoCal summer Sunday. How're you planning on concealing that thigh holster?"

So yeah, I'm in complete agreement. Train how you'll fight - including what you'll be wearing.
 
I hate pocket carry. It's slow
I've never understood this. In a standing position, pocket draw is faster than any carry method I've tried. Of course, gun choice matters...
Also, if I was being robbed, the first thing they would do would be to go through or have me empty out my pockets. At the very least they are going to pat your pockets to see if anything is in there.
By then it's too late for any gun.
 
Uhhhh, thanks but not sure that is a fashion I could pull off.

That was my first thought as well. But since pocket carry is 90% backup for me, I’m wearing a loose cover shirt for belt carry concealment, so I’d be able to cover the suspenders.

Since I have no butt, my pants/shorts are always sagging because of the load I’m carrying: On belt, EDC X 9, spare mag , the big iPhone, and a knife.
In my pockets: Rohrbaugh R9, spare mag, and a wallet. That’s a heap of weight. I’m going to look into those suspenders.

I’ve been carrying fo almost 50 years and I have learned that changing things up can be good.[/QUOTE]

Since I have no butt
GAHH!!!!
T.M.I!!!

Well, truth is, I don't either.

Rohrbaugh R9
So that is what those pocket pistols were. Nice looking.
Wow... They ain't cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

I’m going to look into those suspenders.
Well maybe when I reach retirement age and start wearing white "old man" sneakers, I'll look into them.
:rofl:
 
I've seen folks show up to train wearing the full tacticool getup. I've even been made fun of for wearing Sperry Topsiders and an old Hawaiian shirt. The obvious response is "This is what I'll be wearing on the typical SoCal summer Sunday. How're you planning on concealing that thigh holster?"
So yeah, I'm in complete agreement. Train how you'll fight - including what you'll be wearing.

been made fun of for wearing Sperry Topsiders and an old Hawaiian shirt
Nothing wrong with that. It is what I'm wearing today.
 
I've never understood this. In a standing position, pocket draw is faster than any carry method I've tried. Of course, gun choice matters...

By then it's too late for any gun.

Or reach into your pockets, drop what is in your left pocket on the ground and when they look down you shoot them with what was in your right pocket.
(For humorous porpoises only, not to be taken seriously)
 
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In a standing position, pocket draw is faster than any carry method I've tried.
I’m confused by this. Are you timing from 1)reaching for the gun, 2)presenting the gun, and 3) hitting a target (3’ away) accurately?

I’ve attended numerous training classes and competed for a number of years and have never seen the first accurate shot from a pocket draw beat either a draw from an IWB under a untucked shirt or a OWB from under an unbuttoned concealment garment. This include starting with hand on the gun or relaxed at shooter’s sides
 
I've never understood this. In a standing position, pocket draw is faster than any carry method I've tried. Of course, gun choice matters...

By then it's too late for any gun.
You don't know whether you'll be standing or not when you need to draw your gun.

I'd still have my gun on my person. Might be too late to react at that point in time, but I will still have my firearm on me with at least a chance to react at some point afterwards. At the very least, my firearm will not be stolen.
 
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