Anyone Anticipate A Resurrection Of The Assault Weapons Ban?

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I do expect their to be a ban on all semi auto rilfes at some point in my life, but I don't think there is the political motivation to do anything really sweeping right now.
 
Alcohol and vehicles are also prolific in our society but when a person gets drunk and gets behind the wheel of a 2 ton missile.

People don't blame Jack Daniel's or Ford when the drunk driver kills multiple people. Where do the bans start and stop?

This kid came from a broken home and had issues. Not that it's an excuse, many people do and turn out normal-ish. He planned this, he knew what he was going to do. Blaming the weapon is like saying his Grandmother deserved to be shot in the face.
 
I am open to the idea of not being able to buy or possess without supervision until age 21. Many are mature and responsible enough to own such a thing the day they turn 18 but many others are not. Yes I know you can join the military at age 18 but they don't hand you an M4 the minute you walk in the gate. You get training and discipline first.

I would love to say no concessions, stand our ground, blah blah blah, but they fact is if we want to keep our rights we have to participate in solving the problem. A huge part of that also has to be that the side who votes for no gun control can't be the side who also votes to make healthcare unaffordable.
 
I’d be good with a law that passed a one time 6-10% reduction in my Federal Income Tax burden for attending a no cost to me voluntary, comprehensive (with hands on at a range) firearms training course for any gun owner.

Course should have heavy focus on gun safety (especially related to safe storage of firearms AND ammo as it seems many owners STILL struggle with this). There also NEEDS be some emphasis on identifying developing mental health issues…not make the attendee a defacto psychologist but geared towards the general public on how to identify mental health crisis warning signs EARLY.

Set a renewal interval around every 5 years at a reduced percentage…say 3-5% for income tax relief).

That would at least provide a small motivation for gun owners to make a self determined decision to seek advanced training w/o being told by the government to do so.
 
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I am open to the idea of not being able to buy or possess without supervision until age 21. Many are mature and responsible enough to own such a thing the day they turn 18 but many others are not.
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So their rights are denied? This patronizing attitude being expressed towards a critical segment of the shooting community is rather disgusting.

From 18-20, I was in possession or had full access to firearms, minus the specific time living in on-campus dorms or at ROTC field exercises. Even while still in HS, my friends and I would either go shooting at the range or on the NF, with rifles, shotguns and handguns- WITHOUT adult supervision- Oh the horrors... This was the 1990's, NOT the 1950's.
 
Perhaps you could enlighten us with your possible solutions to mass murders at schools and elsewhere. I'll read and think about whatever you post and respond with my beliefs. In a civil manner.

.455_Hunter said:
I have to ask- At what age do you become involved in firearms? Do you have children with an interest in firearms?

Some of the stupidity being expressed will legally prohibit my son from even driving to the range with his target rifle. Some of the stupidity being expressed will prohibit college students living away from home from possessing even basic firearms in off-campus housing, or camping/backpacking with any form of defensive weapon.

Yeah, its a massive civil rights violation and completely unacceptable.
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eyeshot said:
Perhaps you could enlighten us with your possible solutions to mass murders at schools and elsewhere. I'll read and think about whatever you post and respond with my beliefs. In a civil manner.
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You didn't answer my question- At what age do you become involved in firearms? Do you have children with an interest in firearms?

Sorry- I oppose ANYTHING that puts blanket restrictions on an entire age range of young adults. The solutions are wide and and far reaching, and include better security, armed staff, and the ability to institutionalize dangerous individuals. I could potentially support some sort of "permission slip" for parents/guardians (what do you call those for somebody over 18?) to "authorize" a young adults weapons procurement/possession, but the devil would be completely in the details.
 
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You didn't answer my question- At what age do you become involved in firearms? Do you have children with an interest in firearms?
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Is it not possible to be introduced and participate in the shooting sports without purchasing your own firearm as a child?

You can say it's unacceptable all you want. Urban Karen's everywhere will simply decide for you.
 
We have to ask "why does this happen"? I had the opportunity to hear retired Lt. Col. David Grossman speak on this. H e really lays it out regarding video games, tv shows and movies and such. Kids today have become desensitized. Many of these kids that carry this out have much in common, loaners, outcasts and so forth. There is way more to this than a firearm issue. Until we address the elephant in the room attacks of some sort will continue to take place.
 
R.W.Dale said:
Is it not possible to be introduced and participate in the shooting sports without purchasing your own firearm as a child?

You can say it's unacceptable all you want. Urban Karen's everywhere will simply decide for you.
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Over 18 is a child?

I said nothing about supporting firearms purchasing for under 18.

However, I also do not support blanket restrictions on possession for under 18 either- parental authorization should be sufficient in all cases.
 
someguy2800 said:
I am open to the idea of not being able to buy or possess without supervision until age 21. Many are mature and responsible enough to own such a thing the day they turn 18 but many others are not. Yes I know you can join the military at age 18 but they don't hand you an M4 the minute you walk in the gate. You get training and discipline first.

I would love to say no concessions, stand our ground, blah blah blah, but they fact is if we want to keep our rights we have to participate in solving the problem. A huge part of that also has to be that the side who votes for no gun control can't be the side who also votes to make healthcare unaffordable.
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It's a shame that everyone expects someone else to provide the training and discipline for their own children. If we didn't have this prevalent hoplophobia, and taught all people to respect firearms and life at an early age, and taught that everything is earned, nothing given, we would not be in this situation...
 
someguy2800 said:
.... Many are mature and responsible enough to own such a thing the day they turn 18 but many others are not. ...
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While I agree with the practical correctness of your statement, maturity isn't a precondition for becoming an adult citizen with respect to the law, only age is a requirement, and any other precondition would require some kind of fitness test that's fraught with so many subjectivities and variables that it just isn't practical. With respect to the law and the entirety of their all rights and responsibilities under the law as a citizen they're either an adult or they're not.
 
.455_Hunter said:
So their rights are denied? This patronizing attitude being expressed towards a critical segment of the shooting community is rather disgusting.

From 18-20, I was in possession or had full access to firearms, minus the specific time living in on-campus dorms or at ROTC field exercises. Even while still in HS, my friends and I would either go shooting at the range or on the NF, with rifles, shotguns and handguns- WITHOUT adult supervision- Oh the horrors... This was the 1990's, NOT the 1950's.
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I grew up at the same time as you and had the same access. I had unrestricted access since I was tall enough to stand on a chair and reach the gun cabinet key. That was fine for me becuase I'm not a psycho, but just because I'm not a psycho does not mean that psychos don't exist. 18 years is an arbitrary number that we made up to express adulthood. Most of what we consider to be our rights have an age attached to them, and many of them are either younger than or older than 18. We don't let 6 years olds buy whiskey or drive cars or buy AR15's, there are 3 different age limits on those 3 different rights. For legal purposes you have to assign a date to be granted your rights because children are not mentally mature enough to make certain decisions until certain ages. So I would propose to you, if 21 is not the right age for someone to get that specific right, then what age specifically should it be, and if its 18 then why that specific date, and why aren't you worried about someone that's 17 years and 364 days old?

My reasoning for why 6570 days on the earth may not be the best choice is that most people are still in high school when they turn 18, and have never had to truly deal with the real world. For most kids at that age their life revolves around the social dealings of high school, social media, and video games. Kids act out in irrational ways because they are mentally immature. In 5 year olds, acting out takes the form of temper tantrums in the grocery store. For 14 year olds it often takes the form of violence, crimes, drugs, ect... Most kids grow out of that as they mature mentally and get into the real world. For teenage boys sadly it seams to be taking the form of shooting up a school. I don't believe that a persons 18th birthday is the magic date where they are suddenly mature. Age 21 isn't either, but in my experience growing up, there is a lot of personal growth in people that happens between turning 18 and 21. In my state you need to be 16 to possess a firearm in general without adult supervision, and 18 to buy or possess on your own. I propose that we raise that age to 21 for certain types of firearms, say any semi automatic rifle or anything capable of holding more than 5 rounds. Perhaps if you want to exorcise that right earlier you need to take an extended training class and mental evaluation to get a permit before the age of 21? I don't have the answer but we have to start coming up with something.
 
badkarmamib said:
It's a shame that everyone expects someone else to provide the training and discipline for their own children. If we didn't have this prevalent hoplophobia, and taught all people to respect firearms and life at an early age, and taught that everything is earned, nothing given, we would not be in this situation...
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Well I am doing what I can to instill such discipline in my own children, but I have no control of what people do with their childeren. I was at my kindergarteners school picnic today and my attention was partially divided between thinking what would I or other parent do if god forbid such a thing were to happen right now, and looking at the other parents who are obvious drug addicts and are probably delivering little to no parenting to their kids. There in lies the problem, you can only do what you can with yours.
 
For a forum that explicitly prohibits political discussion this sure has gone one a long time and quickly to nowhere productive.

Hell, someone threw out the idea of forced religious affiliation and got support, so much for freedom of religion, eh? I guess that one doesn't really matter...
 
I'm not sure what credence my pedigree lends to the conversation. But . . . not speaking from my southside BB guns to 22s to shotguns to pistols to CF rifles. I still reload and shoot 9mm, 6mm and .308. This has covered a span of 60+years. My two daughters are into 9mm pistols and shoot my rifles whenever the opportunity arises.

I served, Vietnam Era, and shot expert (not a difficult task with flop-down silhouettes) and helped my buds on either side qualify because they really were poor shots. I do not own a AR15. Nothing against them but I prefer the accuracy of bolt actions.

Ohio born and farm raised and I'm ultra conservative. I don't care for excessive laws or restrictions any more than most on this site. My suggested solution, I think, would have the greatest impact on mass shooting in the short-term.

I'm out.

.455_Hunter said:
You didn't answer my question- At what age do you become involved in firearms? Do you have children with an interest in firearms?

Sorry- I oppose ANYTHING that puts blanket restrictions on an entire age range of young adults. The solutions are wide and and far reaching, and include better security, armed staff, and the ability to institutionalize dangerous individuals. I could potentially support some sort of "permission slip" for parents/guardians (what do you call those for somebody over 18?) to "authorize" a young adults weapons procurement/possession, but the devil would be completely in the details.
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