possible AR ban coming to Northwest

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My form letter reply to my not supportive e-mail to the AG's office. Guess they don't think I understand how government works.

"Thank you for sharing your opinion about the Attorney General’s request that the Legislature consider a bill to ban the sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines in Washington. Before it becomes law, the bill must be introduced in the Legislature, passed by both chambers, and signed by the Governor. We appreciate your feedback on this important issue.



Kindly,

Office of the Washington State Attorney General

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& Constituent Services Unit
 
Washington and Oregon want to pass similar gun laws as California has, 10 rounds max
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It might be a good idea to find links to the actual draft legislation and post them in the legal section.

Also, you can have an AR in California. It has to have the magazine catch modified so that you have to depress the center with a bullet nose or some similar device before you can press the catch to release the magazine and magazines are limited to 10 rounds. My LGS has operations in multiple states and they do the modifications to their ARs here before they ship them to California, so even though I don't live in California, I am familiar with what's involved.
 
Instead of worrying if an AR you might buy will get banned, and you may not be grandfathered in, how about getting active in local politics, as well as federal politics, and fight for/support pro gun politicians.

We have some very big decisions to make coming up shortly, and your support may get a pro gun politician over the edge and elected.

Other than that, quit worrying about it, and buy one if you want one. :)
 
2bfree said:
My form letter reply to my not supportive e-mail to the AG's office. Guess they don't think I understand how government works.

"Thank you for sharing your opinion about the Attorney General’s request that the Legislature consider a bill to ban the sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines in Washington. Before it becomes law, the bill must be introduced in the Legislature, passed by both chambers, and signed by the Governor. We appreciate your feedback on this important issue.



Kindly,

Office of the Washington State Attorney General

Public Records

& Constituent Services Unit
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Well, at least you got a reply, I got nothing from the Democratic Oregon legislators I wrote to when I lived in Oregon expressing my views on anti gun legislation. I used to be a duped Democrat but for the last 8 years I would vote for anything but a Democrat.
 
While I doubt the accuracy of this speculated ban, just buying stripped lowers doesn't really make sense as a hedge against a future ban. Stripped lowers were not banned during the Federal Assault Weapons era. They aren't banned in California or under any other state law I know of. What made certain rifles banned were collapsible stocks, pistol grips, and flash suppressors. If there was a future ban it would still be illegal to build an AR with these parts even if you acquired them before the ban.
 
MAKster said:
While I doubt the accuracy of this speculated ban, just buying stripped lowers doesn't really make sense as a hedge against a future ban. Stripped lowers were not banned during the Federal Assault Weapons era. They aren't banned in California or under any other state law I know of. What made certain rifles banned were collapsible stocks, pistol grips, and flash suppressors. If there was a future ban it would still be illegal to build an AR with these parts even if you acquired them before the ban.
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How would they know they were not assembled before the ban and legal?

Parts are not tracked like the serial numbered receiver is.

Some don't get it and don't want to, sometimes it is best to ignore them and take care of yourself. History has shown you can always sell them during the panic before any legislation comes into effect for a profit.




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WA Attorney General has a Facebook poll going on the topic and he is getting slammed with a poll of 82% to 18% in our favor the last I looked.
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Is he losing his job? Will he be voted out and/or is the governor going to fire him for floating this? Are there prominent politicians denouncing this proposal, and seeking protective action to address it before it becomes an issue? Are the opposing groups getting donations of time & money pouring in to build the ground team needed to kick lazy gun owners in the rump into the election booth on the big day? The enemy is showing their heads over the hilltop early; are you going to wait for them to arrive for battle as you are, or will you call for help, dig trenches, and set up a row of (figurative) machinegun positions?

I swear, Facebook and it's useless 'slactivism' is going to be the death of this republic. I recall such online polls were heavily opposed to the background checks, too, but only 20% turnout was realized when it mattered. Gun owner's have literally 2.5X the voting power* of the 'dominant' coastal cities if they'd just drag themselves into the polling station & vote in their own self interest (as opposed to out of idleness like the disinterested majority who vote for 'seems like a good idea at the time')

How would they know they were not assembled before the ban and legal?
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The answer of course, is "it's legally dangerous to play these games, and any path you exploit will be systematically shut to you, so why allow them the authority in the first place?"

TCB
*There are 5X more votes available for the pro-gun set than were realized previously, and you guys got beat 2:1 by the coasties if memory serves. If you would all just VOTE you'd win 2.5:1
 
Thank you for sharing your opinion about the Attorney General’s request that the Legislature consider a bill to ban the sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines in Washington. Before it becomes law, the bill must be introduced in the Legislature, passed by both chambers, and signed by the Governor. We appreciate your feedback on this important issue.
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Roughly translated: nothing to see here, nothing to worry about, the AG is helpless. That's a good sign (obviously denouncement of the proposal is best, but whatever)

Now, whether such a statement is believable given the current politics of the statehouse & voter maps, is the much more important side of the equation.

TCB
 
The legislature has seen these bills before and they have been defeated.

I-594 was passed as a ballot initiative, legislators wouldn't touch it for fear of reprisal. Until it shows up as a ballot initiative the chances that it will go anywhere are slim. I don't think most gun owners even voted on I-594. I think the next AG initiative will have some opposition. I contacted my reps, they know how I feel about this.
 
Is he losing his job? Will he be voted out and/or is the governor going to fire him for floating this?
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Nope, he's running unopposed....:banghead:

Our politicians are like weeds. We let them grow too long and now we cant pull'em.
 
What IS a 'stripped lower'?

My only AR is a brand-new S&W, but having no interest or skill in a build, would only buy a basic lower in case my son one day (somehow) gets the
'gun bug'.
And he/his wife might move within a few years from TN to CA :(or OR (her family is near San Jose:().
 
What IS a 'stripped lower'?
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Just the lower, nothing else (no "guts" like trigger, mag release, etc)

My only AR is a brand-new S&W, but having no interest or skill in a build, would only buy a basic lower in case my son one day (somehow) gets the
'gun bug'.
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Building one is pretty easy I've done it a couple of times now and I'm not very "mechanical". If I can do it I think anybody can. Just built a 6.5mm Grendel AR not long ago I'll be seriously bummed if it gets banned before I can shoot it much...
 
I have no hope of either of those states stopping it. oregon's vote is controlled by Portland which is essentially Sacramento with a slightly more livable climate, and Washington already successfully passed an unenforceable and unreasonable gun control bill last election so odds are that they'll do it again very successfully. this makes me glad that I live in Idaho. it's actually on the books here that any elected official who campaigns for gun control may be arrested and removed from office. we don't put up with the crap our neighors to the west do.
 
good for you all in Idaho , I think it may be time for me to take my family and
make a red state a little redder,
 
actually believe it or not most of our elected officials are dems, they're just dems with more conservative leanings.
 
barnbwt is right, we can vote and hopefully enough of us will vote for candidates who will honor the 2A. We can pray that God will change things and see what happens.
Or we can pray sincerely that we turn this nation back to it's original foundation, God, and then vote for good, honest, conservative, Christian leaders who will ask God to use them to turn this nation around.
My opinion is we need to do both, pray then vote and get active in returning the US to it's original purpose, a Christian example for the entire world.

By the way JOJO, my advice is don't move. Washington and Oregon need all the conservatives they can get. Stick around and keep them honest. As you can see I live in the Peoples Republic of Illinois. I have had chances to move to more gun owner friendly states, but I want to change the legislators we have here. We have a lot of dems here in down state, but they are conservative dems, they support their constituents.
Keep the faith.
 
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It seems that playing the blame game is a national pastime.

The amount of CA transplants make up such a small percentage of the voter base that its laughable to blame them.

To not understand that it's the politicians that are proposing the laws, not CA transplants, makes it even more hilarious.


It's time people take a look in the mirror instead of blaming the tiny percentage of out of state transplants.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
The legislature has seen these bills before and they have been defeated.

I-594 was passed as a ballot initiative, legislators wouldn't touch it for fear of reprisal. Until it shows up as a ballot initiative the chances that it will go anywhere are slim. I don't think most gun owners even voted on I-594. I think the next AG initiative will have some opposition. I contacted my reps, they know how I feel about this.
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Why would you think that? Polls show overwhelming support for UBCs. Washington puts a UBC ballot initiative to a vote and it passes by a large margin. What is unexpected here? Believe it or not a lot of gun owners support background checks.

JO JO: If you want an AR buy one. If you want a bolt gun buy one. I wouldn't buy an AR just because there are rumors about attempts to ban them.
 
Why would you think that? Polls show overwhelming support for UBCs. Washington puts a UBC ballot initiative to a vote and it passes by a large margin. What is unexpected here? Believe it or not a lot of gun owners support background checks.
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This isn't a background check ballot initiative. It's a weapons/mag ban bill. It has to have a 2/3rd's vote to pass in the state senate of which half are GOP. That's the reason the AWB bills have failed in the past and this one isn't going to get any traction either.

If anyone is interested here is the proposed bill.

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House Bills/2354.pdf

If I read it correctly there is a grandfather clause in there that would allow an owner to legally posses and use a banned firearm. Selling it would have to be to an out-of-state buyer.

WA had the lowest midterm voter turnout since 1978, just 52%. Gun owners just didn't get off their butts to even vote when I-594 was on the ballot.

I live in WA and pay close attention to these bills and initiatives, believe it or not.
 
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{Gun owners just didn't get off their butts to even vote when I-594 was on the ballot}

That is so true and so frustrating they complain but wont take the time to Vote or be proactive for our gun rights, its like they just lay down and get steam rolled and then
complain ?
I bet our prior generations that founded and protected our rights put a bit of time and work into it, and yet most of us can't even take the time to Vote or write/call their State Rep ?
They left us with our Rights we owe it to our kids and grand kids to do our part and pass on their Rights so I HOPE ALL OF US WILL VOTE THIS ELECTION ,
Really its not hard to Vote !!!
 
Take a look what has happened to us in California.
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hope it won't pass but folks keep moving north from California and pushing their addenda not a fan
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Not everyone in CA feels the same way.

If a ‘ban’ is enacted, it will apply to future acquisitions, not current owners.
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The law can apply to current owners if it is written that way.
not fair, if it was legal when you bought it it should be legal to keep it but sadly that's not the way things work.

Not pretty here in CA, they have grandfathered stuff in. I will leave it at that as all the crazy stuff CA does is not relevant to the OPs question.

To buy or not to buy is a hard question.
It might be good to get it now while you can, but if they get banned outright you could be stuck trying to sell it out of state, possibly for a loss if the market gets flooded due to a ban.

If you want one I would say get it.

Do what you can now to try to prevent antigun laws from being passed.
 
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Coiltrain, the Bill you linked to is one that was put forth at the beginning of this year. It went nowhere. There is no new bill yet for 2017.
 
Insofar as WA State is concerned, the majority of the state population lives in Pugetropolis. Other than Lewis county, where I live (and we are an anomaly), all of the counties West of the Cascades are "blue" counties. The counties East of the Cascades are "red" counties, but are so sparsely populated as to not even come collectively close to Pugetropolis.

Sadly, the Seattle/Puget Sound area (Pugetropolis) basically controls the rest of the State, politically. From what I know of Oregon, Portlandia controls the majority of Oregon politics.

I thoroughly believe that the borders of WA and OR should be redrawn with the Eastern border of WA/OR to be the crest of the Cascades and that Western area of both states be renamed Pacifica. The Eastern half of both present states should be renamed Freedonia, as it will be more aligned with Idaho, Utah, and Montana.

That concludes today's demographic/geographic lesson. :D
 
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