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I knew an old guy who converted one to 45 acp. worked ok. of course, he's dead now so I cannot ask him about it.....
 
someguy2800 said:
Lever actions don't need a rimmed cartridge for any reason other that being able to roll crimp the case mouth. Case in point 35 Remington is rimless.
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Got That. The Remington rimless rounds, 25,30,32 and 35 were all full length rifle rounds that would cycle in a lever action. Then you have the traditional pistol rounds for the Win 92 and Marlin 1894. Which are all rimmed rounds. Will a 10mm work? Maybe but why when you have .357,41 and 44 Mag.
 
Scooter22 said:
Got That. The Remington rimless rounds, 25,30,32 and 35 were all full length rifle rounds that would cycle in a lever action. Then you have the traditional pistol rounds for the Win 92 and Marlin 1894. Which are all rimmed rounds. Will a 10mm work? Maybe but why when you have .357,41 and 44 Mag.
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If it works then why not?
 
Lever actions do need a rim for straight walled cartridges. That is how it headspaces. 44 mag, 357, 45-70 , 45 Colt all have rims. Even the 30 30 headspaces on the rim even though it is a bottleneck cartridge. It can be sized to use the shoulder instead.

The reason the Remington cartridges work is that the headspace on the shoulder.

The 10 mm headspaces on the case mouth same as the the 45 act and others. Not sure how well that would work with any of the traditional lever actions. They do not lock up very tight. Erratic ignition and accuracy could be an issue unless the rifle was built to very tight tolerances. Ammunition would have to held to pretty tight specs also. A Browning blr, Sako Finwolf, or Winchester 88 may be your best option.

Not saying it cannot be done. There are semi auto rifles for rimless pistol cartridges. Just may take some deep pockets to realize the concept.
 
You know what the magical thing is with internet search engines?

You can type in the craziest things you want to at very little cost to yourself and sometimes that crazy can be pure genius.

https://www.grizzlycustom.com/product/marlin-1894-semi-auto-pistol-carbine-10mm/

In my case, I already knew this existed because one day I typed in something similar into that search engine and found the same company makes 450 Bushmaster lever guns.

There is just something about rimless straight wall cartridges that folks don’t seem to understand can be chambered in a lever action.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
In my case, I already knew this existed because one day I typed in something similar into that search engine and found the same company makes 450 Bushmaster lever guns.
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I had learned about those conversions 5 years or so ago when I ran across Ranger Point Precision's original .40/10mm conversion offering https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/11/01/10mm-40sw-ranger-point-precision-1040ss/ .

I even went far enough to come up with a functional but somewhat worse for wear 1894 that I thought could work for the conversion, but never acquired the funds to follow through before RPP dropped the offering.
 
Both these lever guns are in 10mm.

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Ok, ok. They are in the original 10mm, AKA .38-40 WCF. Top is an Uberti 1866 Sporting Rifle and bottom is a Marlin Model 1889, built in 1890.
 
Misplacedtexan said:
What do y'all think about a marlin chambered in 10mm.?
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Not one single thing wrong with this line of thinking. I have a feeling the guy that said, hay how about a 357 or 44 lever gun got the exact same answers.

There is not one single reason on the planet why it will not work, they put 45acp in revolvers over 100 years ago, rim was nothing....but how does it stay.....lets make this little circle thingy and you clip the rounds into it.....why do that it is flat stupid....you mean stupid like a speed loader.....no that is different.....ok how about if I call the moon clips a speed loader will that make you happy.......shut up and go away.

I have a feeling it went something like that......and don't doubt that any of the pistol flavors in a long gun went any different.

The only reason someone is not making one is they think it will not sell, and I bet they are correct. 10mm is just not in the same class as 9mm popular that is. I have a feeling you see all these 9mm carbines, because of the popular of that cartridge.

Ok smart guy why one lever 9mm.

Likely the same reason you have a hard time finding 357 lever guns, they are a bit of a small market, I bet they would sell, and I bet some companies like Henry have had the idea once or twice, but making one in that caliber is likely viewed by them as not a good money maker.....if they ever think, man I bet we could sell tons of these.....then you will see them.....and I doubt many will think they will sell tons.

Not to turn this political, but the only way I think we would see them is if those evil automatics get the ban hammer......but who knows, you know that 9mm will blow the lung right out of the body....just imagine what a 10 would do.....and oh my, think of an 11mm.

Just incase it is needed.

 
I have always thought that a 10mm lever rifle would be a great idea.

I'd be all over one if anyone would put it on the market.
 
Interesting link for Grizzly. Basically the whole guts of the gun have to be reworked and modified. I don,t see any prices but I'll bet it ain't cheap. So in the end you have a 10mm lever action with a ton of money in it. If something breaks you have to get a custom part. Me I'll stick with my 357 and have the mod money to spend on something else. jmho.
 
stringnut said:
Lever actions do need a rim for straight walled cartridges. That is how it headspaces. 44 mag, 357, 45-70 , 45 Colt all have rims. Even the 30 30 headspaces on the rim even though it is a bottleneck cartridge. It can be sized to use the shoulder instead.

The reason the Remington cartridges work is that the headspace on the shoulder.

The 10 mm headspaces on the case mouth same as the the 45 act and others. Not sure how well that would work with any of the traditional lever actions. They do not lock up very tight. Erratic ignition and accuracy could be an issue unless the rifle was built to very tight tolerances. Ammunition would have to held to pretty tight specs also. A Browning blr, Sako Finwolf, or Winchester 88 may be your best option.

Not saying it cannot be done. There are semi auto rifles for rimless pistol cartridges. Just may take some deep pockets to realize the concept.
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This argument has also falsely been used to say that semi auto rifles can’t or shouldn’t use cartridges that headspace on the case mouth for at least a couple decades now but it’s simply not an issue and never was. If the action doesn’t lock up tightly behind a rimless case then it won’t lock up tight behind a rimmed case either. The location of headspace is irrelevant to that. The only potential issue of any sort is bullet set back in the magazine tube from not having a roll crimp in a cannelure.
 
Scooter22 said:
Interesting link for Grizzly. Basically the whole guts of the gun have to be reworked and modified. I don,t see any prices but I'll bet it ain't cheap. So in the end you have a 10mm lever action with a ton of money in it. If something breaks you have to get a custom part. Me I'll stick with my 357 and have the mod money to spend on something else. jmho.
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Yeah, that would have to be a factory cataloged item for me to take the plunge; no custom job for me.

Aside from the initial cost lack of factory support is my deal breaker.
 
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