El Tejon
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BTW, for those that care, the shotguns will not be "melted down". They are sold to dealers in other states with resale covenants of 250 miles. The money is used for "equipment" and "training".
Does anyone else see anything wrong with the quoted statement regarding the typical combat situation that would require a shotgun with double aught buck? If not, I am quite surprised. If you don't see something wrong with the picture painted by said statement, try a little test. Take a 12 gauge, with slug barrel as used by PDs, load it with 00 buckshot, fire it at a paper combat target (with life sized depiction of bad guy) at 5 yards. Then up goes a new paper target and you move back and fire again at 10 yards. Then up goes a new paper target and you move back and fire from 15 yards. Now count the pellet holes in the bad guy, and see if any made it outside the bad guy, onto other areas of the paper or even on the very outer edges of the BG (such would likely be passing through clothing only). All hit the bad guy, good for you, there is a good chance such would be the case from 15 yards. Now up goes a new target and you move to 20 yards and fire from there. Now count those pellet holes on this target. You may have started to see the picture at 15 but, you will almost definitely see it at 20 yards using the run of the mill police shotgun, lets say a remington 870 with 18 or 20 inch slug barrel and, with departmental type ammo 2 3/4 inch 00 buckshot. Now move to 25 yards after first having put up a new paper bad guy target. See how many pellets fired from 25 yards actually hit the bad guy on that paper, how many hit elsewhere on the paper and how many missed paper all together. Then tell yourself what is wrong with the statement in the above quote.If they can't hit a target with 00 buck beyond 25 yards, they need more training, not an expensive pop rifle.
Actually, that one was written by Dylan. Good song.The preacher was talking, there’s a sermon he gave
He said "Everyman's conscience is vile and depraved,
You cannot depend on it to be your guide
When it is you who must keep it satisfied”. (Joan Osborne)
Evil black rifles are O.K. so long as the police have them.
the savings will be in logistics -- fewer cops doing paperwork on supplies
Does anyone else see anything wrong with the quoted statement regarding the typical combat situation that would require a shotgun with double aught buck? If not, I am quite surprised. If you don't see something wrong with the picture painted by said statement, try a little test. Take a 12 gauge, with slug barrel as used by PDs, load it with 00 buckshot, fire it at a paper combat target (with life sized depiction of bad guy) at 5 yards. Then up goes a new paper target and you move back and fire again at 10 yards. Then up goes a new paper target and you move back and fire from 15 yards. Now count the pellet holes in the bad guy, and see if any made it outside the bad guy, onto other areas of the paper or even on the very outer edges of the BG (such would likely be passing through clothing only). All hit the bad guy, good for you, there is a good chance such would be the case from 15 yards. Now up goes a new target and you move to 20 yards and fire from there. Now count those pellet holes on this target. You may have started to see the picture at 15 but, you will almost definitely see it at 20 yards using the run of the mill police shotgun, lets say a remington 870 with 18 or 20 inch slug barrel and, with departmental type ammo 2 3/4 inch 00 buckshot. Now move to 25 yards after first having put up a new paper bad guy target. See how many pellets fired from 25 yards actually hit the bad guy on that paper, how many hit elsewhere on the paper and how many missed paper all together. Then tell yourself what is wrong with the statement in the above quote.
BTW, for those that care, the shotguns will not be "melted down". They are sold to dealers in other states with resale covenants of 250 miles. The money is used for "equipment" and "training".
The old guns will not be sent in on trade, they will be melted down as scrap. The police chief, Joe Mokwa, says that would prevent the guns from ever falling into the wrong hands.
Garands? Those long, heavy things, firing .30-06 rounds out of 8-round en-bloc chargers? Among other things, what about lights, scopes, lasers, etc?I don't know what I would want officers carrying in the car for an urban enviroment. For a rural Sherrif's office I think 50% 12GA and 50% CMP M1 Garands would do the trick.
Glen- I've rolled Turkeys at 15 yards further out with a whole lot less. A real live living breathing moving target, not a hypothetical paper target.