Gang Defense Strategy Question

As a Southern California resident you should know the safe and un-safe neighborhoods...you learn real fast becasue down here 4 or 5 blocks away can change the entire neighborhoods safty.

This street is just east of Long Beach Blvd south of Carson for you southern Californians main intersection Long Beach and Carson - anyone from the area KNOWs this is not a safe at night neighborhood.

Also, most block parties are in not safe neighborhoods (ar least in Cal.) and anywhere around this part of Long Beach you should know wouldn't be safe - regardless of your color because this is gangland so you could be black or latin and then you would get the "where you from" call - which translates to "which Gang you in" and if its not that neighborhoods you most likely will get hassled or worse.

Now, its not the girls fault but obviously they wre ignorant of their surroundings just to go there. They were probably driving around and saw a sign and figured hey it Halloween? It may be a free country but that doesn't mean theres no price to pay for ignorance.

No CCW in LA Cty for the common man or woman - LA is not "shall issue" it is "shall NOT issue". This will not make the news because the local TV and paper do not want to hear anything this un-PC.

I hope they heal up - they were un-lucky but it could have been alot worse.

Classic example of the animal pack-prey mentality that living in a gang engenders. If you are not part of the pack you are enemy to be attacked or
prey to be taken advantage of.

These poor girls learned a lesson the very hard way. Yes they ignored obvious warning signs but the real sad thing is that people in social situations like this need to be aware of these possibilities at all.

The surest response would have been to leave as soon as they were uncomfortable with the attitude displayed by the animals. To ignore such
obvious display of territorial attitude is dangerous. If these animals were
true gang bangers the chance that one or more of them were armed would be
significant. To draw and fire on gangsters in self defense gives no guarantee they will retreat. These people are sociopaths not cowards. Many will stand and fight if they feel they have a chance in prevailing. Even against trained
officers these kind will consider the chances of winning a gun battle and at
times will shoot it out with the police.

In the face of groups of predators like this responses of a defensive nature such as those usually seen from street officers can fail. A more robust and direct response, i.e overwhelming display of force etc can dissuade them.
If they feel the risk is too high they won't act out. If they feel the risk is minimal then evil action is likely.

If you were carrying, at what point do you draw and fire?

North Texan said:

If you were carrying, at what point do you draw and fire?

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I would consider being outnumbered by such a large number of obviously hostile individuals to be an imminent threat to my life. I would draw and fire when the first assailant made physical contact--ie when the one guy pulled the one girl down by her hair, he would soon thereafter be suffering from terminal high-velocity lead poisoning.

First off, a weapon in that situation would have lead to almost certin death. This is gangland, not disneyland. You open fire, and 15 will open fire on you.

I worked as a Correctional Officer at a Supermax Prison in VA. On more than one occasion, I worked on the floor in population. 44 inmates and you. You learn to talk to people real fast. As was said before, these people prey on the weak. If when they started being taunted, one of them let out a good stern "Go to hell MFer" and kept walking, it would have ended alot different. In that statement, they let it be known that they where not weak, and where ready to fight, if provoked. Working on the inside, I have told more than one inmate that was testing me for a weakness that, and I never had another problem one out of them.

Sparky

This is gangland, not disneyland.

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Nice.

Excellent choice for
a t-shirt, bumper sticker
or THR sig line.

Seriously.

Most people in rawdy groups act tough in numbers but there aren't too many heros that won't back away when looking at a barrel of a gun.

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Maybe in some places and some cultures. Word of warning, though, Latino Gang/Barrio culture includes NOT backing down from that, but instead getting more aggressive or posturing so as not to lose face among their friends.

Most people in rawdy groups act tough in numbers but there aren't too many heros that won't back away when looking at a barrel of a gun.

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Maybe in some places and some cultures. Word of warning, though, Latino Gang/Barrio culture includes NOT backing down from that, but instead getting more aggressive or posturing so as not to lose face among their friends.

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They may not lose face, but they may gain a few holes in it. I would have drawn when they started throwing things at me. If the situation did not drastically improve, I would have fired on any and all who were not immediately ceasing aggressive activities. I suspect the pause between draw and shoot would be quite small.

Thanks hso.

good to be here

I was thinking of the guy who stopped to help. If I was him, and I'm armed and these thugs did not stop attacking the girls, and started threatening me. I would make distance and draw. 30 against 1 if they do not back down and run, but they still threaten and approach you, with my life is in danger, and I am preventing other from being killed, the closest one gets a headshot. Like others have said, if it continues , keep backing up and keep shooting, until the threat stops or you run out of ammo. I'm not aiming at leaders, I'm aiming at the closest threat.

I would have drawn when they started throwing things at me.

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Please don't go to any ball games

I think your jumping the gun with that. Explaining to a cop that I shot Mr. Scumbag because he threw stuff at me is a conversation I never want to have. Now Shooting Mr. Scumbag because he used his skateboard as a weapon, That person should get a medal!

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But at that point, people were swarming all over the girls. There's no way they could have drawn a gun without it immediately being taken away. If there's several people throwing things at me (that are causing bruises and tearing clothes) and making racist comments, that's plenty to show violent intent. They may be throwing pumpkins and fruit now, but there's probably bottles and bricks and rocks nearby - that's ability. They're close enough, and in large enough numbers to kill you with thrown objects if not fists - that's opportunity.

kungfuhippie said: he's a successful septic tank pumper now. Well now someone who likes tank pumping will flame me. I just remember how "cool" he was in high school and how now he pumps the tanks of all those "nerds" he use to mock.

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Hey, the guys who collect my garbage make a LOT of money. In cities where the mob had/has a presence, those contracts got awarded only by greasing their palms. I don't knock a man for doing dirty work. My uncle by marriage works for the county sanitation processing plant. It was a great, secure inside job he can get for his family, it pays DAMN well, little training needed, and there's PLENTY of work.


Let's not get so caught up in what WE'D do that we gloss over what actually worked, fellas.


One brave man, compelled to act by his convictions, waded into an angry crowd. Alone. Unarmed. He got the job done on his own.


Its software fellas. That's all it is. He didn't shoot 'em up to slidelock. He didn't need to shoot one of them to make the rest run. He wasn't even armed by the account we're given.


One brave man made a difference. Its all software. The gun is only a tool.


Once again. My hats off to you, whoever you are. I'd be proud to shake your hand and buy you a beer.

I think one loud bang and everyone would have set a new record for the 100 yard dash!

In was at Venice Beach showing an upstate friend a great S. Cal. attraction on a Sunday afternoon - I hadn't been there in years and didn't know that Sunday afternoon was when all the gangbangers congregated at Venice Beach.

It was interesting, they had police on every corner and the blocks were short only a hundred yards or so between corners. Anyway, some banger got upset, went back to his car and got a handgun out of the trunk, came back and blasted whoever was mouthing off to him (from what I saw & heard mouthing off to each other was why they all went there)?

As soon as that shot went off everyone started running and screaming - it was like a herd of frightened stampeding animals - seriously they would have trampled anything or anyone in there way.

I think a party popper would have set off the stampede!

Most of these people are not brave one on one its the group the emboldens them (mosyt but not all so be wary).

Naive girls in the wrong part of town. Period.