$1000 reward to turn in an illegal gunowner

remember that if you advocate citizens carrying guns in violation of NYC law you also, by default, advocate the crooks carrying guns in violation of NYC law. it applies to both parties.

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No - we're advocating the cessation of the demonization of the OBJECT and a desire for the Government to focus on BEHAVIOR.

• Gun + neighborly behavior = GOOD
• Gun + predation upon your neighbors = BAD

I don't care if you have a gun; I do care if you use it to predate upon others. Speed limits don't STOP people from speeding. Gun restrictions don't STOP people from having guns. The questions in play should involve what you do with the folks that choose to not obey the law, quantifying the damage created by the civil disobedience, and defining how far society should go to catch the lawbreakers.

I'm just glad that I live in an area where folks are still willing to let their neighbors find their own way. I couldn't stand to live in a place where I was represented by elected officials willing to set neighbor against neighbor, or where my neighbors were willing to be pimped out as hired snitches.

And that attitude has nothing to do with my having something to hide, and everything to do with wanting to be treated by my community with respect and dignity.

I'm just glad that I live in an area where folks are still willing to let their neighbors find their own way. I couldn't stand to live in a place where I was represented by elected officials willing to set neighbor against neighbor, or where my neighbors were willing to be pimped out as hired snitches.

And that attitude has nothing to do with my having something to hide, and everything to do with wanting to be treated by my community with respect and dignity.

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just because a concerned citizen happens to alert police to possible illegal behavior doesn't make them a bad citizen. the proposal doesnt even suggest one neighbor turning in another neighbor. that is merely a possibility that you made up in your head.

the proposal doesnt even suggest one neighbor turning in another neighbor. that is merely a possibility that you made up in your head.

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Oh, c'mon.

"The best police work frequently results from the alliance of the community and law enforcement," Kelly says, "which is why we are offering $1,000 to each person who contacts us with information that leads to an arrest and a conviction."
Operation Gun Stop is funded by the NYPD and information can be supplied anonymously by dialing the toll-free number, 866-GUN STOP. Rewards are paid within 72 hours of the arrest of one or more suspects.

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I don't think that this is merely a possibility that I made up in my head... Come to think of it, nor do you, since you wrote this back in post #48:

i don't think it is a bad thing to get the citizenry involved that choose to be involved. nobody's forcing people to rat others out. i see nothing wrong with the police offering this program.

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You clearly expect that people will rat others out. You just aren't bothered by it because you see it as voluntary....

Snitching.

I never liked the ideas of informants, snitching, tattle-tales, even in Elementary School. In the case of international terror or the CIA, using real undercover human resources in spying, a case can be made. But for a police force to try and gin it up locally with bribe money among amateurs is disgusting to me.

If you can't make honest straight up cases, maybe you are involved in enforcing a bad law. This seems like a symptom of such corrupt law to me. I can think of dozens of ways this will lead to rotten results.

black fork did ya

get a t shirt? i thought they were most popular in the inner city.

Ok,
So if you're anynomous how do you get paid?

It will be interesting to see what comes of this initiative. Will they use it for good or evil? Money and phones are tools. The results will show the intentions of the players.

paid

crimesolvers and other similar programs have been paying anonymously for decades. you can look up how

Hmmm... let's say "Gus" doesn't like "Stan". Gus stops by Stans place and plants illegal gun. Gus calls 1800GUNSTOP, with anoymous tip. Stan gets arrested Gus get $1000. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

I could go on and on.

it coulda happened that way

absent the grand all those things could and probably do happen. i don't see the money changing much.

Well, I have a T-shirt on...

....and that's been the case since October or so, so I must have gotten one somewhere.

Actually I think the Redhead bought me this one. In a pack of three.

i meant

the famous "no snitching shirt" the one so much in favor with the young gang bangers and the wannabes.

http://ghettostupidity.blogspot.com/2005/08/stupidity-of-no-snitching-culture.html

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/160134,CST-NWS-mitch05.article

and to accesorize it http://www.hiphopcloset.com/nosnbebu.html

double post.

Spreadfire, you keep shifting your position to keep from being pinned down. This started when you stated quite plainly that you agree with this type of strategy, i.e., the "turn in your gun owning neighbor for money strategy." Then, when a few people called you on it, you started acting like you thought such laws were unfortunate. Then when you are called on your contradiction, you switch to the argument that we have no right to argue that the law is bad unless we have actually hired a lawyer to challenge its constitutionality. Which is it? Please pick a position and stick to it. Otherwise, stop wasting our time.

crimesolvers and other similar programs have been paying anonymously for decades. you can look up how

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Traditionally, a crime is commited and the police create a report of the crime. They then ask the public for assistance under the aegis of the crimesolvers programs, and sometimes offer a reward for information leading to the arrest/conviction of the criminal who committed the original crime. At no point do they ask the public to CREATE the crime report for the purposes of receiving the reward.

Pretty basic difference, don't you think?

Knowledge of your enemy

All anyone needs to know about the NYPD can be found here:

http://pub135.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1

You'll not find much of any middle American values expressed there.

Spreadfire.

Please google up "Vidkun"

From your posts, it's what you seem to represent.

What's the difference between this new reward program and this old one?




They're both offering rewards for turning in lawbreakers.

John

Plus on Crimestoppers I have only seen rewards offered on people that have committed serious crimes: ones where there was substantial and real damage done ... either a genuine injury caused to a person, or damage to property (or both).

Feel free to find an example to the contrary, I've never seen one.

Rewards in those cases make much more sense.

ah so thats it!

because you've never seen it it doesn't exist? kinda limiting yourself ain't ya? in this case old age has its rewards. the first crimestoppers case was in relation to a guy who robbed montgomery wards in marlow heights md if i remember right(its been almost 40 years) and the guy was turned in by his mom, for the money

Down with the hood, get on the T.

I think I might have to change my s/n to DOUBLEBlackfork, B-Fork$uze, Dawgfork, Ungawafork, or some other that escapes me at this time, to really get down with...um...them threads. They threads. T's.

Word?

Bout time to unlock yo glock, scoop a coupe, and make a run on this thread, you dig?

more

http://www.goprincegeorgescounty.co...rhood/crime_solvers.asp?nivel=subfoldmenu(1,3)

cassandrasdaddy: shift outta stupid.

I said crimestoppers, to the best of my knowledge, has only featured crimes that had an injured party (physical, or property).

Featuring someone who robbed Montgomery Ward is a case where.... ta da... there is an injured party. Having one's property stolen is damage to that property (loss of use if nothing else).

Keep coming back

http://www.goprincegeorgescounty.co...rhood/crime_solvers.asp?nivel=subfoldmenu(1,3

"We try to profile at least one unsolved crime from each District Station and one from each unit at the Criminal Investigations Division. That way, our show is diverse. For example, on one show we profiled a story about over 50 incidents in which someone stole wheels off of luxury cars in the Bowie area, then we profiled a story about an assault in Hyattsville. during the same show we featured a story about several robberies in Oxon Hill and then we talked about a man suspected of stealing credit cards. We also try to profile at least one case from our Homicide Unit's Cold Case Squad. We also like to profile cases in which the detective has video tape of the suspects committing the crime or photographs taken from a surveillance camera."

Sounds like they are going after real criminals, who have actually caused someone damage.

Not someone who is simply excersicing their RKBA without a stamp of approval by the .gov.

first they came for the {insert group}

"I have no problem with the government checking on me"

at the moment...

ST

Let's try this scenario:

A United States City (any city, it doesn't matter which one) enacts a law that no person within the city limits can possess a Bible, Koran, Torah, or any L.Ron Hubbard book without first making application to the local Police Department, and undergoing a background check. To make things even worse, the local Police Department has a history of denying "Religious Literature" permits to all but a select few of the "right kind" of people.

Questions:

1) How is this different from the practice of NYC or DC (as well as others) with regards to handguns?

2) Would there be a national outcry against this type of law? If not, why not? If so, then why do we allow NYC and DC to get away with it?

3) Would anyone support the practice of turning in neighbors for having unregulated "religious literature"?

When Bibles are outlawed, then only outlaws will have Bibles.

Also, does anyone else think that maybe a certain Class III dealer has hurt his business by his participation in this thread?