$1000 reward to turn in an illegal gunowner

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still waiting

for an example of some regular guy screwed by this setup, or does it join the others relegated to the " IT COULDA HAPPENED THAT WAY!" zone.
 
"MP-5 toting thugs with cheesy fingerless gloves and "look-at-me-I'm-a-hardass" baclavas ARE."

You know some of Richmond's drug dealers? Amazing.

;)

I don't see that convicted violent felons should have the right to continue using guns.

John
 
still waiting

for an example of some regular guy screwed by this setup, or does it join the others relegated to the " IT COULDA HAPPENED THAT WAY!" zone.


Give it a little time. Sooner or later some poor schmuck who has done nothing wrong will get his nads caught in a wringer due to a little greed on the part of an acquaintance. It's a simple matter of time.
 
When the Nazis came for the Jews to take them to Buchenwald it was the law. Still willing to blindly obey the law?

now i dont think the NYPD can be compared to the Nazis. that's quite a stretch. and THR members wonder why people think gun advocates are a bunch of right wing extremists? :confused:
 
x ray boy

did you forget to quote the rest? by accident or cause it doesn't support your assertion

" Having determined that the Court of Appeal "failed to apply" clearly established Supreme Court law, Packer v. Hill, supra, at 579 (a phrase which the opinion repeatedly and erroneously substitutes for the more demanding requirement of §2254(d)(1): that the decision be "contrary to" clearly established Supreme Court law), the Ninth Circuit then proceeded to address the question "whether [the Court of Appeal's] decision constituted error and if so whether the error had a substantial or injurious effect on the verdict." 291 F. 3d, at 579. But that inquiry would have been proper only if the Ninth Circuit had first found (pursuant to the correct standard) that the California court's decision was "contrary to" clearly established Supreme Court law--which it did not and could not. By mistakenly making the "contrary to" determination and then proceeding to a simple "error" inquiry, the Ninth Circuit evaded §2254(d)'s requirement that decisions which are not "contrary to" clearly established Supreme Court law can be subjected to habeas relief only if they are not merely erroneous, but "an unreasonable application" of clearly established federal law, or based on "an unreasonable determination of the facts" (emphasis added). Even if we agreed with the Ninth Circuit majority (Judge Silverman dissented) that there was jury coercion here, it is at least reasonable to conclude that there was not, which means that the state court's determination to that effect must stand.



this is the important part

Even if we agreed with the Ninth Circuit majority (Judge Silverman dissented) that there was jury coercion here, it is at least reasonable to conclude that there was not, which means that the state court's determination to that effect must stand.
 
Somalia

While the people of Somalia are protesting against the government trying to disarm the people.
New York is trying to pay the people to turn in armed people.
I don't think the people in New York have a clue as to the value of weapons in the arms of citizens.
Government sucks.
 
My cite was more than adequate to show that judges do in fact instruct juries specifically on what they can and cannot consider during deliberations.
The fact that in this case appeal caused it to be overturned in no way changes the action of the judge. We will never know how many times judges
channel the deliberation process in such a fashion. We only hear about the ones that are heard on appeal.
 
My cite was more than adequate to show that judges do in fact instruct juries specifically on what they can and cannot consider during deliberations.

so it is safe to assume that a judge can instruct a jury to deliberate in favor, and not against, a defendant. the pendulum swings both ways.

so a pro-2A judge can thus instruct a jury only to consider the 2nd Amendment and nothing else, right?
 
now i dont think the NYPD can be compared to the Nazis. that's quite a stretch. and THR members wonder why people think gun advocates are a bunch of right wing extremists?


You were the one that compared the NYPD to the Nazis, I merely pointed out the outcome of blind obedience to the law. You stated that you obeyed the law even if you disagreed with it. I simply showed where that kind of blind obedience can lead to a holocaust.
 
i do thing it is a good thing that they are taking steps to get guns out of the hands of crooks.
But, in NYC, anyone who owns a gun but is not connected in some way, is by their definition a crook.

You also state that you have nothing to hide, so you don't care about being subject to searches without notice or warrant. That sort of reminds me of a very Bavarian looking Party member in good standing in Nazi Germany smugly proclaiming that there's nothing wrong with the status of the laws because he personally has nothing to hide from the Gestapo. Laws are good or bad depending on how they accord with our fundamental human rights, not depending on whether or not we personally have anything to hide from law enforcers.
 
You stated that you obeyed the law even if you disagreed with it. I simply showed where that kind of blind obedience can lead to a holocaust.

so are you saying you will disregard a law if you disagree with it? there is no blind obedience on my part. i dont think the government is coming for my guns, even though many on THR believe they are.

and when is the 2nd holocaust coming anyway? got to be ready for it. :D

You also state that you have nothing to hide, so you don't care about being subject to searches without notice or warrant. That sort of reminds me of a very Bavarian looking Party member in good standing in Nazi Germany smugly proclaiming that there's nothing wrong with the status of the laws because he personally has nothing to hide from the Gestapo.

a very popular thing for pro-2A people is to 1) state that the 2nd Amendment is the only gun law in existence, and 2) compare everything that goes against their opinion to the Nazis.

well if you want to compare me to a Gestapo member, go ahead.....since im not part of the ruling class i dont think my opinion really matters though.
 
read it again

the ninth circuit was reversed oringinal judges actions/rulings were upheld


but you can invoke the "it coulda hapened that way" clause if you need to change that reality
 
Y'all keep arguing the end but you're not arguing the means. Regardless of whether the end is legally or morally justifiable, I've yet to hear why the MEANS is acceptable to y'all.
 
still waiting

for an example of some regular guy screwed by this setup, or does it join the others relegated to the " IT COULDA HAPPENED THAT WAY!" zone.

:rolleyes: Didn't you read the very first post in this thread? Specifically, the quoted news bit?

Gun Stop received 701 tips, made 549 arrests, seized 293 guns,

That's up to 152 people who were investigated based on false reports (possibly fewer if multiple reports were filed on the same person or if some of the "tips" were not investigated due to external factors e.g. bribes paid), and more than 256 people (because the average gun owner owns several guns) who were investigated as "illegal gun owners" but arrested for something other than illegal gun ownership... perhaps charges that amount to "pissing off the investigating officer" or even "being an easy way to improve the investigating officer's arrest log" -- only way to disprove that is to audit the actual arrests, which nobody in this thread will be allowed to do.

The abuse rate was 1 abuse in 1.7 (counting both "cleared" and "arrested on non-gun-related charges" as victims) to 4.6 (counting only "cleared" as victims) reports. Either way you count it that is massive abuse, and all of the victims were "regular people".
 
maybe

"it coulda happened that way" but you surely can produce one story with a name some details? or not...
 
Did anybody check the math?

Something doesn't add up. 700 tips, nearly 550 arrests, just under 300 illegal guns siezed, and $189,000 paid.

OK, don't pay if no arrest, so that knocks it down some, but just what aren't we being told, the figures don't add up with the information given.

Don't pay (or pay as much?) if no conviction, that would knowck it down some more, but enough?

Over 500 hundred arrests, and nearly 300 guns siezed? What?:what: :what: ? How do you arrest someone for illegal gun posession if he doesn't HAVE A GUN? Please, somebody explain how the New York Cops can arrest over 500 people for posessing less than 300 guns? HOW? What legal mechanism allows them to do this? Were 200 of the arrests legal gun owners (who, hopefully, were later cleared)? Is a 40% error rate acceptable in a major metropolitan police agency? I wouldn't think so.
 
Really, no surprise from the city that brought you the illegal "STRAW PURCHASE" so called 'sting.'
 
Asking for the names of the victims is simply misdirection. A red herring. The news report is very clear that at least 152 of the tips did not lead to a gun-related arrest. You don't need to know those people's names to know they exist.
 
Hmmm.

Anonymously call in a bunch of 'tips' -- but give the home addresses to police officers, judges, politicans, court workers, etc. :fire: :neener:

Not saying I advocate it, but it'd sure be humorous.
 
You people might want to watch what you call members of the NYPD. They are hard working dedicated protectors of the public who deserve respect for what they do. It takes a lot to put your life on the line every day especially when it's not appreciated. You are very brave with the names from behind the safety of your computer screen!
 
You people might want to watch what you call members of the NYPD. They are hard working dedicated protectors of the public who deserve respect for what they do. It takes a lot to put your life on the line every day especially when it's not appreciated. You are very brave with the names from behind the safety of your computer screen!

Tell that to Amadou Diallo etc. etc. etc. And shout real loud cause he's dead.

Respect is earned not commanded. The history of the NYPD has far too many documented instances of corruption, brutality and abuse for them to cry foul about anything. As in all groups exceptions exist but
as an organization the NYPD can make no claims to brave service without acknowledging all the terrible things that have been done by some their officers.
 
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