Bass Pro Shops is anti-gun

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Bass Pro Shops in MI is anti-gun

So I had heard from a guy how Bass Pro Shops in Auburn Hills, MI has a nice shooting range inside. For those of you not familiar with the area, it's attached to a huge mall called Great Lakes Crossing. Yes, that's right, there's a shooting range inside a mall. My wife has family in that area, and we had been wanting to go shooting, but we needed a babysitter. Problem solved, so we went to Bass Pro Shops (BPS)...

The first time, I had called and asked what the range hours and fees were. The guy told me if I come between X and Y hours, we can shoot. So we showed up there with my range bag, and they said, "What time is your appointment?" We were like, ***? The guy on the phone didn't mention anything about having to make an appointment. The normal ranges by my house don't require this. Of course, they're booked up all day, so we can't shoot. So, disappointed, we pick up the baby and go back home.

Then, we decided to try for round two a few weeks later. We got the same relatives to babysit, brought my range bag, and went to BPS. Now, the range is on the 2nd floor of this very large BPS store that's attached to the mall. I walk in the same way I did a few weeks prior, range bag over my shoulder, through the turnstyle gates at the entrance. There's a guy standing there with a BPS shirt on (there was last time, too). I looked at him both times I went, he looked at me, he looked at my range bag, and said nothing. So, I figured he was one of the greeter types (like at WalMart) or a deterrant against shoplifting (like at Best Buy), and we proceeded to the range area.

I get up there, and give my name, stating that I had a reservation at X time. The guy then pats the counter as though he wants me to get out my gun and show it to him. Now, keep in mind we're inside a mall with tons of people around, so I was a little taken aback by this range guy asking me to whip out a gun. I usually never open my case except when I'm inside the range area or inside my own house. So I ask him if he wants me to get my gun out b/c I was confused & it seemed unsafe. Here's where the fun starts....

He then gets a horrified look on his face and starts freaking out. He says, "Wait a minute! You didn't get stopped by check-in?" I said, "No. I shoot all the time, and I've never had to do that before. I walked right by the guy at the entry and he looked right at my range bag and said nothing." Then he freaks out asking me if I came in the mall entrance or the parking lot entrance. I explained to him that I'm familiar with gun safety and that of course I came in through the parking lot entrance.

Then he calls security in a frantic voice telling them that he needs them up here right now! Now, at this point I was going to leave, but my wife wanted to shoot, and we hadn't gone together in a while (plus we already had the sitter for the 2nd time). So the jackass has them escort my wife and me back through the store with my gun in the range bag to the check in area with the turnstyles. So, I go back there, and the guy tells me to empty out my range bag, and he starts rummaging through it messing everything up. Then he starts taking inventory and telling me that this is no big deal... it's just so that I don't steal anything.

First, he takes out my gun in the middle of the entry way with people walking inches by through the turnstyles as he's muzzle flashing everyone in the store! Then he puts a trigger lock on my gun (not gently, I might add). He screws up all my mags, which I have sorted b/c I like some better than others. Then he tries to force my CZ pistol case (small) closed onto the gun with a gigantic trigger lock on it. I tell him to stop. So he gets out a huge 4-gun case and puts my gun in there. Then he puts a tether around the case handle so I can't open it. Then he puts a tether around my range bag! Then he escorts us back upstairs to the range area.

Now jackass #1 is back again and still treating me like I'm a criminal about to rob the place. Then he holds up this huge consent form like you typically sign when you rent a gun. So we figure, OK, fine, and start reading it. We get down to the item that says we have to give him our driver's licenses, and we realize my wife doesn't have hers b/c we've never needed it at our normal ranges unless we're renting a gun. Niether of us likes the idea of this guy keeping tabs on who we are and what times we were there. So we figured it must be for age verification, and we ask. He freaks out on us again and acts like we're about to hold the place up again.

So I tell him his anti-gun violations of my privacy and treating me like I'm a criminal are not appreciated and that he'll never get our business again. I explain to him that my normal range doesn't make me jump through hoops, violate my privacy, and treat me like a criminal for exercising my 2nd Amendment RKBA. I explain that it's ridiculous that he works at a shooting range and acts like I'm a criminal for bringing in a gun.

So we went back down to the door guy, who unlocked all the crap he put on, and finally we got our gun back and left. He tries to play Mr. Niceguy and say that he doesn't agree with the policies, and that it's just a brief search of our stuff.. no big deal. He told me that I could have my range privileges revoked for the day if I didn't comply. I told him that he can revoke my range privileges permanently for all I care b/c I'll never go back there again. I told him that while he may concede to small violations of our rights simply b/c they're not larger violations of our rights, I don't agree to ANY violations of my rights, and I will never shop somewhere that treats me as a criminal until proven otherwise (searching and doing inventory on my bag before and after, putting a lock on MY gun that was in a closed case in a closed range bag). Not to mention muzzle flashing everyone in the store and totally disorganizing my range bag.

What do you guys think of all this? Would you shoot here?
 
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Being inconvenient is not the same as being anti-gun.

By the way, by choosing to be their customer, you are agreeing to waive some of your rights and follow their policies. No one forced you to do anything there. You decided that your desire to shoot there outweighed your rights.

That said, I can't imagine being that desperate to shoot there to go through the hassle. What a pain to just go fire off a few round. But hardly a damning example of anti-gun behavior. It sounds more like a business that was simply a bit overzealous in the CYA department.
 
follow up with a letter to corporate headquarters and to the store GM. It's the only way they'll know they're losing customers because of this nonsense. They sure won't hear it from the flunkies you dealt with.
 
Sorry but I think you are over reacting - I've only shot there once but I didn't have any problems. Yes you have to check in at the parking lot entrance with your gun and yes it's a pain but thats their rules and if you want to shoot there then you have to follow the rules like anyone else. Yes you are right that other ranges don't make you jump through all the hoops just to use the range but other ranges aren't attached to a shopping mall.
JMHO
 
Letter to the store manager! NOW!

And no, I wouldn't go to that place ever again. Ranges around here, I either have to leave my DL with them for the duration of shooting, or put DL# on some paper, or on some, just sign. Never have I been searched. On one county park range, ROs take your gun out of the box and secure it first, then you're on your own. And that's already too much touching for my and my guns' taste:evil:
 
I agree with you totally about not only being rightfully peeved about the violation of your rights, but a MAJOR thrashing of the less than normal "courtesy" that alomst no business seem to have any idea of what that is anymore. I would write a very clearly, nice letter to the owners of the Bass Pro Shops and tell tham about the UN-Prfessionalisim, that these guys showed by using their idiotic store policies. I also would like you to let me know how it worked out. Good luck and I don't blame you one bit for never wanting to patronize there again. At the very least, they should have better customer representives there to take care of the potential range customers.
 
Sounds like the brady campaign wrote their procedure for dealing with customers.
 
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:confused: I thought that was pretty common. I have to check in my guns for gun shows and the city indoor ranges require DL to use the range (EDIT) and I have to sign a waiver too.
 
I shot at that Auburn Hills Bass Pro when it first opened. I disliked the hoops I had to jump through, though I was not treated rudely. I haven't been back since.

I much prefer the Island Lake DNR range. It's much closer to my house, much cheaper, I don't need an appointment, and I don't have to sign any ten page legal forms to shoot there.
 
Screw them man!

What you want is the pit. Its an absolutely free range on state land (don't worry, its very legal). To get there you take Lapeer road to Daley road, and Daley road is way up there in Lapeer if you didn't know. Its 2 streets past a BP station. Then you turn left at the elementry school and go a few miles. You'll go past a dragstrip, and about 3/4 of a mile later it will be on your right. 85 yards, always open and free to shoot at. Plus if you reload, you'll get plenty of free shells.:)

Edit- Heres a map http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=8&f=39&t=180138
 
Cabelas

I went to Cabelas shortly after it opened here. Quite the store. My brother in law and I went back later so he could check it out. He carries openly, I was Concealed. Nowhere near the front of the store does it have anything posted about carrying. We're all the way in the back when a woman comes up to Josiah saying "sir did you check your firearm at the front?"

We looked at each other and walked ALL THE way to the front, mind you that's a big D@MN Store. Come to find out the two managers there had no idea, one thought we couldn't have it, the other thought we could. The Customer Service lady said we had to unload. I just pulled a spare mag and told them mine was unloaded (WINK) and I was shopping. We went back and wandered the store. The managers just shrugged and went back to talking football.

So that was my experience in the massive outdoor stores. I love Sportsmans Warehouse postings though. Basically it's, "If you've got it and we can't see it we don't care!" I LOVE IT!
 
I agree that I chose to (attempt to) shoot there, and the only reason I didn't walk out immediately was b/c I wanted my wife to be able to shoot. But, I think the whole notion of calling security b/c I might shoot someone is ridiculous. If I got past the door guy with an entire range bag TWICE, I could get past him with anything. Hell, if I really wanted to commit a crime in there, I'd just go through the mall entrance.

But, if I were going to commit a crime, why would I bring in my range bag with my gun in a closed case and make an appointment with my name? Moreover, why would I opt to commit a violent crime at a shooting range (where multiple people are armed)? Why should they assume that I've been shoplifiting until I prove otherwise? They have security cameras already.

I think the very notion that the possession of an unlocked gun makes you a "potential criminal" instead of a law abiding citizen is by its very nature ANTI-GUN. We're no longer customers or citizens, we're potential criminals. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? At this place, it was vice versa. Now, I realize that they're attached to a mall--but why not then make a SEPARATE ENTRANCE for the range? Or why jump through all the hoops to get a range approved IN A MALL if you're going to treat people like criminals when they walk in the door??? I'd much rather go to a freestanding range any day, but this was just out of convenience. Obviously, I won't make that mistake again.

YMMV, and maybe you'd be ok with these transgressions, but baby steps add up to a lot at the end of the day.

Oh, and you can bet they'll be getting a letter from me....
 
That's the same Bass Pro I called to ask if they allow Wolf ammo an their range, guy asked "is it full metal jacket?" I said yes. He says "we don't allow full metal jacket.":scrutiny:


They should stick to fishing.

I heard another story of where a guy brought in a pistol caliber carbine and they said "we don't approve of assault weapons".:fire: Apparently, they scare the sheep.

But isn't that the whole point!?:D A wholesome family next to you is crapping up a storm while you're bump firing an RPK-74!?:evil:
 
The Dundee Cabela's has one small sign on one of the dozen or so entry doors. It says that all firearms must be checked at the front desk, for "everyone's safety". It wasn't always that way, I wonder if they had an incident that caused them to change their policy.

Of course concealed means concealed, so I've always ignored their sign.
 
I went to the BPS in Grapevine, last week. They've always had the guy at the door that will lock your weapons (sometimes I'll take my AR-15), ask how much ammo, and how many clips. I'll tell them how much ammo and when I have a pistol, usually 15-20 magazines (which goes right over the guy's head).The retired Army Colonel I'll sometimes shoot with, will answer that question with a little more edge in his voice. ;)

Now, their policy apparently has changed a bit so that if you carry concealed, you can just wear that pistol back to the range, where you can unholster it at the firing line. All others in the range bag still have to be checked and locked at the door, however. I don't know if that's an official corporate policy or one that's determined by the guy back at the shooting range. Most of the guys I deal with in Grapevine are pretty cool, so it hasn't been much of a problem. YMMV.
 
Rough ordeal, Juna. Write a letter and vote with your dollars.
"Oh my God!!! He has a gun!!!"
"It's a gun range, isn't it?"
"Security!!!!!!!!"
 
I'm glad I live out in the Boonies of Montana and can go shoot at our club whenever I want without issues....and usually...with no other people present.
 
Range rules....

This reminds me of a similar situation.....

Range rules.. I was at SHOOTING SPORTS INC in Tampa (7811 N.Dale Mabry Hwy)
for the fist time today and was thinking the same thing could
happen there after I found out after paying the range fee that
their "policy" included barring even permit holders from entering
their range with loaded firearms. Probably insurance reasons.
LEO's are exempt, of course.

I was thinking that this would be a great opportunity for somebody
to ambush a shooter for their firearms. I've heard of some ranges
doing this in other parts of the country, but I didn't think that
they did this here. I got the range fee back and left. I won't
be going there anymore.

Nice eh?
 
I shoot at the Bass Pro out by DFW Airport regularly.

I have always been treated courteously, and my guns have never been mishandled or my range bag searched. Yes, they do ask that you stop at the entrance and if your pistol/revolver is not open, they will check the action to make sure it isn't loaded before they put a gun lock on it. I have personally seen the store employees check two UNLOADED weapons, only to have a live round eject from the chamber. They lock EVERY firearm coming into the store, including rifles or shotguns going to the gunsmith or rifle range (yes, they even have a single bay rifle range). Evidently the management at my store carefully trains anyone who is going to handle a customer's firearm, and insist on safe handling as well.
The only exception to the locking of weapons is their policy towards concealed carry licensees. I was told by a manager at MY store that I did NOT need to check my carry weapon, and that the store PARTICULARLY welcomes those who carry legally. I only check weapons in my range bag. I NEVER check my carry weapon.
It sounds as if you had a bad experience, and the employees made it worse by being incompetent. I would definitely talk to the manager. The only way they know that they've screwed up is to let them know.

I don't think any store that welcomes concealed carry can be called 'anti-gun'.
 
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I wouldn't call it a big complaint against Bass Pro Shops, but my ONLY experience with the store in Omaha was when my wife called them, looking for ammo for her brother's Swiss K31. The fellow on the phone told her, rather huffily, that "we don't carry ammunition for assault rifles."
I'd suppose that any large chain will have a few know-nothings and jerks though.
Marty
 
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