Unite North America

Well George, I'll see your "eh" and raise you a "que".

Biker

I also believe that Fox (yes, I know he is no longer Pres.) had nothing to gain either, which is why Mr. Bush refuses to close the border, allowing for illegals to saturate America, giving them eventual LEGAL voting rights, which they will use to vote FOR the North American Union as this will give them the legal right to work here, live here, and go visit home whenever they like.

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The Elites will find--if the current trend continues--that they have subverted the people's belief in The Law altogether. That is the inevitable consequence of ignoring the will of the people. One day the entire house of cards will come crashing down, and that day is getting closer all the time.

"The Will of the People" needs to be refreshed every so often. Unfortunately, historically, "The People" don't get off their behinds until they are so far behind the game that blood spilling is the usual result. I am enough of a Curmudgeon to believe that "this time" will be no different. I wish someone would be able to convince me to be more of a "glass half full" guy, am I being too negative?

Don't worry, a pandemic will probably come around one of these days and even the odds a bit...

"The Will of the People" needs to be refreshed every so often. Unfortunately, historically, "The People" don't get off their behinds until they are so far behind the game that blood spilling is the usual result. I am enough of a Curmudgeon to believe that "this time" will be no different. I wish someone would be able to convince me to be more of a "glass half full" guy, am I being too negative?

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You arent being negative, just realistic.
I am a free American with rights that I will not trade in. I am not a citizen of the NAU nor will I ever be.
I am prepared to do what I need to if the sovereignty of our republic is compromised. Even if it means laying down my life.
The only thing I am worried about is that there aren't enough people who feel the same way.

We don't really know who feels what--not when it comes to having your back to the wall and critical things clearly at stake. We've been in a state of "avoidance" for decades, and much of that is understandable. Lots of distractions. Attempts to "unify" Mexico, Canada, and the USA are bound to entail serious compromises of our civil liberties, including a lot of unwelcome surprises, not a few of those to the pocketbook. I think Americans will start to get the idea of what's really being forced on them at some point, will see their futures crumbling away. Will the siren's-call of the big tv and iPods be enough to put them back to asleep? We don't really know. I'm betting no because I believe the financial consequences will create a shock to the nervous system even heavy sleepers can't ignore. Consider the Social Security "totalization" scheme as a preview.

At the risk of offending all the proper Queen's English speaking Americans on this forum, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that formal membership in the union isn't really all that high on the list of priorities for most Canadians or Mexicans (other than those living in abject poverty).

In fact, immigration to the USA is actually relatively easily accomplished for Canadians or Mexicans who have skills and/or post-secondary education (which, contrary to popular mythology is actually a surprisingly high proportion - particularly in the urban areas); much more easily accomplished in fact than emigration FROM the USA to Canada by an American. The reality of the situation is that a majority of such persons who immigrate to the USA, for ostensibly professional/financial reasons, choose not to remain; opting insted to return to their countries of origin.

An example of this can be seen with regard to the nursing problem in this country. Hospitals throughout the US have, for years, recruited nurses (with considerable incentives) from Canada, etc., to fill the very dire shortage of hospital staff. Their ability to retain these nurses has been virtually non-existent.

Believe it or not, most Mexicans and Canadians don't really have the least interest in becoming Americans.

I doubt y'all will have to worry about this problem real soon.

By the way... what does this have to do with firearms/2A?

not to insult any of you down in the states, but i think il pass. i like my canada the way it is. things need change. but not that big a change.

the change would effect everyone.
the americans bill of rights doesent hold much value to those living in canada and mexico. and likewise our written legal rights dont mean much to those in the us.

then there is what political system would we use etc. to many things to change. not many people would want to do it. no one wants to accept other countries views and such.

Merge? No way. Conquer...maybe.

Guys, don't forget that on this issue, the liberals you fear would side with you as a North American Union would compromise their labor union, fair trade, and economic protectionism agendas.

Believe it or not, most Mexicans and Canadians don't really have the least interest in becoming Americans.

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You would know. Then again a poll in Mexico indicated about half wanted to come here. Of course if they can get free American Social Security and live like el padron in the 'boonies who can say?

What does this have to do with 2A and firearms?

I don't know, ask the Canadian guy after you who doesn't see much appeal in our Bill of Rights.

You would know. Then again a poll in Mexico indicated about half wanted to come here. Of course if they can get free American Social Security and live like el padron in the 'boonies who can say?

What does this have to do with 2A and firearms?

I don't know, ask the Canadian guy after you who doesn't see much appeal in our Bill of Rights.

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I see... I think

We have a Declaration of Independence, a Constitution, and a Bill of Rights, and I am fairly satisfied with all of them. I also prefer our system of government, taxation (which suck here but yet is better than in either Mexico or Canada), education, law, and so forth, much more than that of Canada, or of Mexico. I also much prefer our economy, one that works as opposed to two of the lousiest around. Now if they wanted to become states within the United States of America, and fall under our laws, that might work out, but no Euro-union stuff for the good old USA please. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and if all it needs is a kick to get it jump started then don't do an overhaul.

All the best,
Glenn B

Maybe before we consider uniting North America we might want to unite the USA... Until we find our way back to what we once were having more in the union will just cause more problems..

C

Fire Mission?

Rally Cry??

What will it take to wake-up the American sheeple???

We have a Declaration of Independence, a Constitution, and a Bill of Rights, and I am fairly satisfied with all of them. I also prefer our system of government, taxation (which suck here but yet is better than in either Mexico or Canada), education, law, and so forth, much more than that of Canada, or of Mexico. I also much prefer our economy, one that works as opposed to two of the lousiest around.

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+1 As a former Canadian, I'll very heartily second that.

Now if they wanted to become states within the United States of America, and fall under our laws, that might work out, but no Euro-union stuff for the good old USA please.

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Well, that's kind of the issue at hand... neither Canada nor Mexico is going to formally entertain this idea; most of their respective citizens are quite content where they are.

The only place where this is receiving any serious discussion is among groups who are using it for sensationalist and alarmist purposes. It is not going to happen. It does not threaten your 2A rights. It is an utterly moot point.

Sorry folks, you don't have any choice. The agreements have been made, construction has begun. They didn't ask you. this IS being done.
It sounded like tin -hat stuff to me last year when I first heard about it.
Sorry to say, but the decision has been made. No the American People were not asked, this is being done and they aren't telling anyone about it publicly.
This is some scary stuff to think about.
Want more FUN stuff, google "Agenda 21".
You Don't Have A Choice.

I posted this on our local board recently: personally I think the idea of a North American union has appeal, but it should be done in the traditional manner of simply accepting territories as new states whose citizens would enjoy all the freedoms of our excellent Constitution. If I correctly added up all the Mexican states and Canadian provinces and territories, there will be 94 states. 94 stars can be fit quite neatly in that blue field -- I humbly submit or new flag:

The name of our nation should not change to the US of North America or anything like that, since there's no reason to rule out any part of South America from joining as well. In the meanwhile, controlling the entry of Guatamalans into our 94th state, Chiapas, would presumably be easier than controlling the entry of Mexicans into Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

But then all of Mexico's corruption and Canada's liberal need for a nanny state would get imposed on us. Their' problems would become our problems. And the big-city elite that are the minority in this country, would get a huge influx of supporters from Canada. And all the criminals and people demanding welfare and handouts from Mexico would all of a sudden become US voters.

The sovereignty of the US and our Constitution is a huge reason to oppose this. But it isn't the only one. Constitution aside, I just don't want the criminals, the corrupt, and the liberal leeches from Mexico and Canada to be a part of our country or become voters in our system.

In general I'm not a fan of making government bigger and moving it further away. Thats pretty much the opposite of what I'd like to see happen. The US and canada and mexico are all free to work together as individual nations but I don't want someone in Monterrey or Moose Jaw voting for something that will impact me.

Well, that's kind of the issue at hand... neither Canada nor Mexico is going to formally entertain this idea; most of their respective citizens are quite content where they are.

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I hate to break this to you but at least one-seventh of Mexico now lives in the United States (illegally). I repeat: a poll, recently, indicated that about half of Mexicans would rather live in the U.S., with all the benefits.

As an American I worry about the further dissolution of our values and culture by "equalizing" our three nations. Mexico has yet to evolve far enough as a civil society to offer us much benefit. Canada has evolved way too far...

I posted this on our local board recently: personally I think the idea of a North American union has appeal, but it should be done in the traditional manner of simply accepting territories as new states whose citizens would enjoy all the freedoms of our excellent Constitution.

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There's more to America than offering people the "freedoms of our excellent Cosntitution."

The people who live in the USA now seem increasingly not to grasp what this nation is all about.

I hate to break this to you but at least one-seventh of Mexico now lives in the United States (illegally).

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Mexico is a nation of nearly 110 million people. DHS estimates approximately 7 million Mexicans in the USA unlawfully. There are still 103 million others.

I repeat: a poll, recently, indicated that about half of Mexicans would rather live in the U.S., with all the benefits.

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Yeah well... a recent poll in the good old USA indicated that 80% of Americans believed the government is hiding evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial life. I am going to suggest to you, given the porousness of our southern border, that if 55 million Mexicans were seriously inclined to be where you and I are, things would look considerably different around here.

Beyond this, as I said, neither government is going to FORMALLY entertain the notion.

As an American I worry about the further dissolution of our values and culture by "equalizing" our three nations.

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You see, I hear that argument from time to time. The problem with it, from my perspective, is twofold;

1. Neither Canada nor Mexico is actually interested in lowering their flag. The USA has an illegal immigration problem yes... it attracts the destitute from other countries. Those people don't represent everyone.

2. Despite the fact that people such as yourself have no desire for "equalization", it infuriates you to death when immigrants do not "equalize" when they are here.

Mexico has yet to evolve far enough as a civil society to offer us much benefit.

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Mexico has been around awhile as a society. Some have argued that they are actually a glimpse into our own (d)evolutionary future. Who is to say?

Canada has evolved way too far...

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ROTFLMAO!

In fact, many a Canadian would agree.

Most estimates put the illegal population of Mexicans living in America to be 20-30 million. You shouldn't cherry pick your stats.

Biker

NA Union...Its here

I agree with Longeyes on this...

We have been merging with Mexico for decades now..with very little resistance..there are many cities that are "sanctuary cities" ..in Los Angeles the population of Hispanic/latino has grown to 40%...other cities small & large are "alarmed" by the rapid growth of their latino population..and it will continue until it will be just a "natural progression" to become one country..there is very long list of events that have been done and are being done to enhance this process..some you may have noticed..some you may not believe..

press 1 for english
bi-lingual education
using the peso for currency in the US
giving credit cards to illegals
mexican trucking in the US
granting SS benefits to illegals living in mexico
mass protests by illegals & supporters for amnesty

there are many other things that could be added...but the essence of my point is there

we cant stop it ... short of a real revolution... we dont have to like it...well..not yet at least

Yeah well... a recent poll in the good old USA indicated that 80% of Americans believed the government is hiding evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial life. I am going to suggest to you, given the porousness of our southern border, that if 55 million Mexicans were seriously inclined to be where you and I are, things would look considerably different around here.

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And then there's that former high-ranking official from Canada who believes extra-terrestrials can solve our global warming "problem"... Too much caribou meat maybe.

Anyone who believes there are only seven million Mexicans in the U.S. illegally also believes that George Bush has an interest in stopping the flow of illegals or can ride a bicycle without falling over. I suspect there are easily seven million just in California.

Where I live things already "look considerably different."