'08 Presidential Candidate Selector

These results were quite surprising, considering my top three go - Thompson, Paul, Huckabee, in that order and I despise McCain.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. John McCain (62%)
3. Newt Gingrich (62%)
4. Ron Paul (59%)
5. Fred Thompson (56%)
6. Chuck Hagel (55%)
7. Tom Tancredo (55%)
8. Duncan Hunter (53%)
9. Mitt Romney (52%)
10. Kent McManigal (52%)
11. Sam Brownback (49%)
12. Jim Gilmore (49%)
13. Rudolph Giuliani (48%)
14. Tommy Thompson (44%)
15. Al Gore (35%)
16. Christopher Dodd (34%)
17. Bill Richardson (33%)
18. Hillary Clinton (33%)
19. Joseph Biden (32%)
20. Mike Huckabee (32%)

Oh, and for the 'Paul' folks, where is this question?

If a violent, historically terrorist nation kills our soldiers and plots our destruction (while building nukes), what do you do?

*kick their butt
*surrender at once, and lock yourself in your home while shouting, their is no evil in the world! (a la Ron Paul)

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By definition Libertarians are not Imperialists, kinda like the Swiss. I support a militarily isolationist state, while supporting moderate impartial philanthropy abroad. I'm pretty sure Dr. Paul feels the same way.

While I consider the attacks against the US to be monstrous, there has been more than 100 years of opportunistic imperial foreign policy that has created aggression toward the US. If support is to be be offered to these allies in the Arab peninsula I believe it would be best delivered in a covert manner.

Imagine if you grew up with US soldiers kicking down your door to search your house, would you grow up to preach tolerance? Or would you remember you mother and sisters sitting in the dirt while infidels trash your house? The Americans showed the world in 1776 you do not need a superior army to win a war, you need desire to win for your family and what you know is right.

I do not support inflammatory foreign policy, which creates new enemies.

By the way I have 7 foreign deployments (3 haz duty) and I am not a pacifist.

Steak, I'm starting to see a pattern.

Wow, I'm impressed with that poll. In my opinion, it did a great job of removing the "emotion" from the decision making process. My #2 and #3 were Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter, (Ron Paul at #3) and I'll agree that I'd prefer at least the first two, but I've been more in support of Fred Thompson largely on the basis that I think he might be "Good Enough" to win the Presidency and certainly better than Rudy McRomney or the Democrats.

Ron Paul would be a shoe-in if he didn't have such an idiotically libertarian international policy. Unfortunately, the poll didn't have incrimental importance assessment: immigration/national consolidation and civil liberties are my two big issues, and while RP is great on civil liberties, he's an absolute dog for national interests.

ETA: I should note my percentage of agreement is pretty damn low with all of the candidates:

2. Tom Tancredo (72%)
3. Duncan Hunter (65%)
4. Mitt Romney (63%)
5. Ron Paul (63%)
6. Chuck Hagel (59%)
7. John McCain (57%)
8. Kent McManigal (55%)
9. Newt Gingrich (54%)
10. Fred Thompson (51%)
11. Jim Gilmore (50%)

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The rest are all below 50%, and even though the only reason I'd have any agreement with the likes of Obama and Hillary would be because they're lying, they're still in the 30-40% range. They really needed to weigh the importance of an issue with something more than just two importance categorizations.

I also did not see,
If we overthrow an elected lawful government, impose sanctions, and force our ideas on another country, and they object. We should
a. Invade them.
b. Nuke them.
c. Apologize and trade honestly.
d None

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That was in a different quiz - "World War II: What Would You Do?" - where the questions pertained to Germany and Japan, I think.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Kent McManigal (90%) Click here for info
3. Ron Paul (88%) Click here for info
4. Tom Tancredo (67%) Click here for info
5. Chuck Hagel (61%) Click here for info
6. John McCain (59%) Click here for info
7. Mitt Romney (58%) Click here for info
8. Newt Gingrich (57%) Click here for info
9. Duncan Hunter (56%) Click here for info
10. Fred Thompson (51%) Click here for info
11. Sam Brownback (45%) Click here for info
12. Bill Richardson (44%) Click here for info
13. Al Gore (42%) Click here for info
14. Jim Gilmore (42%) Click here for info
15. Dennis Kucinich (41%) Click here for info
16. Tommy Thompson (41%) Click here for info
17. Barack Obama (41%) Click here for info
18. Christopher Dodd (41%) Click here for info
19. Rudolph Giuliani (40%) Click here for info
20. Joseph Biden (35%) Click here for info
21. Hillary Clinton (34%) Click here for info
22. John Edwards (34%) Click here for info
23. Mike Gravel (34%) Click here for info
24. Wesley Clark (34%) Click here for info
25. Mike Huckabee (28%) Click here for info
26. Alan Augustson (26%) Click here for info
27. Elaine Brown (13%) Click here for info

I am not surprised except I had to look to see who McManigal is. So I suppose if Ron Paul does not make the grade for the Republicans, then I will be voting Libertarian in the general election.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Ron Paul (62%)
3. Tom Tancredo (54%)
4. Kent McManigal (54%)
5. Duncan Hunter (50%)
6. Mitt Romney (49%)
7. Newt Gingrich (48%)
8. Jim Gilmore (46%)
9. Sam Brownback (45%)
10. Chuck Hagel (45%)
11. Fred Thompson (42%)
12. John McCain (40%)
13. Rudolph Giuliani (39%)
14. Tommy Thompson (32%)
15. Bill Richardson (31%)
16. Dennis Kucinich (30%)
17. Al Gore (30%)
18. Christopher Dodd (30%)
19. Mike Gravel (29%)
20. Barack Obama (28%)
21. Wesley Clark (27%)
22. Mike Huckabee (25%)
23. Hillary Clinton (24%)
24. Alan Augustson (24%)
25. Joseph Biden (23%)
26. John Edwards (21%)
27. Elaine Brown (9%)

Now WRT the poll, I have to say that I just plain don't give a crap about a number of the issues.

School vouchers? No good way out of that. I'm no fan of the public school system, but I'm no fan of wrecking the private alternatives by placing them under Federal control, either.

"End all Federal involvement in education, by the legislative and executive branches of government, and all judicial involvement except WRT Constitutional decisions by the SCOTUS, and leave it up to state and local entities" wasn't a choice. Neither was, "Abolish unions for government employees," or "abolish public education altogether, provide tax breaks for all education costs, education tax credits for the poor, and tax-free charitable contributions to the broad variety of educational institutions."

Vouchers are a deal with the devil, in my view. So no answer was a good one.

WRT "gay rights", which was really about "gay marriage" and said nothing about the broad spectrum of civil rights that homosexuals share with the rest of the population, I just don't give a crap. The President shouldn't give a crap, either. Not his/her job. I put "not very important", but that's not really true. As a libertarian, I would like to see deregulation of marriage contracts. At the same time, I oppose Federally-enforced special rights for any group.

Of course I support gay rights, like anyone else's rights. But I don't think we need another group to be added to affirmative action, etc. No special restrictions, no special rights. Marriage is another issue, where I have a "third way" opinion not on the list.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Dennis Kucinich (81%) Click here for info
3. Barack Obama (73%) Click here for info
4. Kent McManigal (71%) Click here for info
5. Christopher Dodd (71%) Click here for info
6. Mike Gravel (70%) Click here for info
7. Hillary Clinton (68%) Click here for info
8. Joseph Biden (68%) Click here for info
9. Alan Augustson (68%) Click here for info
10. Wesley Clark (65%) Click here for info
11. Bill Richardson (63%) Click here for info
12. John Edwards (61%) Click here for info
13. Al Gore (59%) Click here for info
14. Ron Paul (55%) Click here for info
15. Chuck Hagel (44%) Click here for info
16. Elaine Brown (38%) Click here for info
17. Newt Gingrich (36%) Click here for info
18. Rudolph Giuliani (33%) Click here for info
19. Sam Brownback (33%) Click here for info
20. John McCain (33%) Click here for info
21. Mike Huckabee (30%) Click here for info
22. Fred Thompson (27%) Click here for info
23. Tommy Thompson (22%) Click here for info
24. Mitt Romney (22%) Click here for info
25. Duncan Hunter (17%) Click here for info
26. Jim Gilmore (17%) Click here for info
27. Tom Tancredo (14%) Click here for info

I'm not all that comfortable with Kucinich and Obama at the top, but at least Gimore and Tancredo are at the bottom. That makes me feel good

Regardless, I'm not putting too much stock in it.

I guess when you put neither down an awful lot it makes you look like a flip-flop

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Mitt Romney (73%) Click here for info
3. Ron Paul (66%) Click here for info
4. Tom Tancredo (64%) Click here for info
5. Kent McManigal (64%) Click here for info
6. Chuck Hagel (63%) Click here for info
7. John McCain (61%) Click here for info
8. Sam Brownback (58%) Click here for info
9. Duncan Hunter (55%) Click here for info
10. Fred Thompson (49%) Click here for info
11. Mike Huckabee (48%) Click here for info
12. Jim Gilmore (47%) Click here for info
13. Newt Gingrich (45%) Click here for info
14. Tommy Thompson (43%) Click here for info
15. Rudolph Giuliani (42%) Click here for info
16. Bill Richardson (38%) Click here for info
17. Al Gore (37%) Click here for info
18. Barack Obama (32%) Click here for info
19. Dennis Kucinich (32%) Click here for info
20. John Edwards (31%) Click here for info
21. Wesley Clark (31%) Click here for info
22. Joseph Biden (30%) Click here for info
23. Hillary Clinton (29%) Click here for info
24. Christopher Dodd (25%) Click here for info
25. Mike Gravel (24%) Click here for info
26. Alan Augustson (20%) Click here for info
27. Elaine Brown (8%) Click here for info

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According to them somewhere deep down in my physche I must support the second ammendment and the AWB....

Then I noticed this on their explanation of the candidates positions:

Gun control: Mitt Romney, who has touted his support of gun owners since launching his presidential campaign, yesterday acknowledged he did not become a member of the National Rifle Association until last August, campaign officials said. A former advocate of gun control, Romney during his 1994 run for the US Senate backed measures the gun-rights group opposed, such as a five-day waiting period on gun sales and a ban on certain assault weapons. Source

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So they have Romney pegged as pro gun he only used to be an anti. Hold on sec

Okay I am better now.

Wait a second...

Health care: The health of our nation can be improved by extending health insurance to all Americans, not through a government program or new taxes, but through market reforms. Source

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And against socialized medicine oh no...

Okay I am just going to stop looking now.... appears as though they may be a little mixed up over there.

My top two were 65% Obama, 64% Ron Paul.

Interesting.

Do those two candidates have anything in common in their positions?

My top two were 65% Obama, 64% Ron Paul.

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How did THAT happen lol

Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Duncan Hunter (66%) Click here for info
3. Newt Gingrich (62%) Click here for info
4. Tom Tancredo (59%) Click here for info
5. Chuck Hagel (56%) Click here for info
6. Fred Thompson (56%) Click here for info
7. John McCain (56%) Click here for info
8. Jim Gilmore (54%) Click here for info
9. Ron Paul (53%) Click here for info
10. Sam Brownback (53%) Click here for info
11. Tommy Thompson (52%) Click here for info
12. Kent McManigal (51%) Click here for info
13. Al Gore (50%) Click here for info
14. Rudolph Giuliani (49%) Click here for info
15. Hillary Clinton (48%) Click here for info
16. Joseph Biden (48%) Click here for info
17. Mitt Romney (46%) Click here for info
18. Bill Richardson (40%) Click here for info
19. Wesley Clark (40%) Click here for info
20. Christopher Dodd (38%) Click here for info
21. John Edwards (37%) Click here for info
22. Mike Huckabee (36%) Click here for info
23. Mike Gravel (35%) Click here for info
24. Dennis Kucinich (35%) Click here for info
25. Barack Obama (31%) Click here for info
26. Alan Augustson (27%) Click here for info
27. Elaine Brown (16%) Click here for info

Bogus.

Looks like it exists primarily to sell advertising.

I took it on another forum earlier today.

1) Theoretical candidate 100%
2 Ron Paul 82%
3 Kent McManigal 72%

The rest of the mooks in line started with John "the Manchurian" McStain and slid Hellward from there.

Anyone scoring over 50% with Kucinich, Biden, Clinton, Obamanation, or any of the other Marxist need to report to political realignment class immediately!

How did THAT happen lol

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I'm liberal/libertarian... I agree with Ron Paul on most civil rights issues, but I fall to the left on social issues (pro-choice, pro-stem cell research, and for allowing gay couples to have the same legal benefits as any married couple). I'm only moderately tolerant of social programs. I do lean pretty strongly to the left for environmental issues, following the idea that government must prevent the tragedy of the commons. I'm also very much against corporate influence in politics, so I do have pretty strong anti-business views. Oh, and in the survey, I strongly favored candidates who were against the Iraq invasion (before it happened).

Of course, where I really break with the modern Republican viewpoint is that I favor balancing the budget -- and by any means necessary.

Essentially, my views favor individual rights over collective... which means I disagree with just about everyone. An exception is that I do favor limited social programs, the idea being that a guaranteed "safety net", whether it be medical or financial, is desirable. Such programs typically benefit the disadvantaged (and really, any one of us could suffer from misfortune and need help), and are worthwhile insofar as they really are a "safety net" and not merely a means of redistributing wealth.

Your Results:

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Duncan Hunter (85%) Click here for info
3. Tom Tancredo (79%) Click here for info
4. Sam Brownback (78%) Click here for info
5. Chuck Hagel (77%) Click here for info
6. Mitt Romney (75%) Click here for info
7. Fred Thompson (75%) Click here for info
8. John McCain (72%) Click here for info
9. Newt Gingrich (69%) Click here for info
10. Jim Gilmore (68%) Click here for info
11. Mike Huckabee (62%) Click here for info
12. Tommy Thompson (61%) Click here for info
13. Rudolph Giuliani (60%) Click here for info
14. Kent McManigal (40%) Click here for info
15. Ron Paul (40%) Click here for info
16. Al Gore (30%) Click here for info
17. Joseph Biden (29%) Click here for info
18. Bill Richardson (28%) Click here for info
19. Hillary Clinton (26%) Click here for info
20. John Edwards (23%) Click here for info
21. Wesley Clark (23%) Click here for info
22. Christopher Dodd (19%) Click here for info
23. Dennis Kucinich (10%) Click here for info
24. Mike Gravel (10%) Click here for info
25. Barack Obama (9%) Click here for info
26. Elaine Brown (4%) Click here for info
27. Alan Augustson (3%) Click here for info

I'm still trying to figure out how Hillary got 26%. I assume Ru Paul scored better than the other kooks because of gun control. I cannot think of a single other position of his I support.

OK, I have no right to vote in your country, dont really follow your politics, but, based solely on how i read the questions and applied them to my views (and how i would choose)

heres my results

Your Results:

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Rudolph Giuliani (63%) Click here for info
3. John McCain (59%) Click here for info
4. John Edwards (57%) Click here for info
5. Sam Brownback (55%) Click here for info
6. Duncan Hunter (52%) Click here for info
7. Fred Thompson (52%) Click here for info
8. Mitt Romney (52%) Click here for info
9. Al Gore (51%) Click here for info
10. Barack Obama (50%) Click here for info
11. Tommy Thompson (50%) Click here for info
12. Hillary Clinton (49%) Click here for info
13. Joseph Biden (49%) Click here for info
14. Mike Huckabee (49%) Click here for info
15. Christopher Dodd (48%) Click here for info
16. Tom Tancredo (48%) Click here for info
17. Chuck Hagel (47%) Click here for info
18. Wesley Clark (46%) Click here for info
19. Bill Richardson (41%) Click here for info
20. Newt Gingrich (39%) Click here for info
21. Jim Gilmore (36%) Click here for info
22. Alan Augustson (35%) Click here for info
23. Mike Gravel (34%) Click here for info
24. Dennis Kucinich (34%) Click here for info
25. Ron Paul (32%) Click here for info
26. Kent McManigal (27%) Click here for info
27. Elaine Brown (22%) Click here for info

Now I dont know what that says about either my views or your politicians!! take is as you see it

Even though I won't be involved and don't know a lot of the candidates I took the test anyway

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Kent McManigal (84%)
3. Ron Paul (79%)
4. Tom Tancredo (74%)
5. Mitt Romney (70%)
6. Newt Gingrich (69%)
7. John McCain (67%)
8. Duncan Hunter (64%)
9. Chuck Hagel (63%)
10. Sam Brownback (62%)
11. Fred Thompson (57%)
12. Jim Gilmore (52%)
13. Tommy Thompson (48%)
14. Rudolph Giuliani (46%)
15. Bill Richardson (41%)
16. Mike Huckabee (41%)
17. Christopher Dodd (34%)
18. Dennis Kucinich (32%)
19. Al Gore (31%)
20. Mike Gravel (28%)
21. Hillary Clinton (26%)
22. Wesley Clark (26%)
23. Joseph Biden (25%)
24. Barack Obama (24%)
25. John Edwards (20%)
26. Alan Augustson (13%)
27. Elaine Brown (6%)

Gun control: The Second Amendment specifically and clearly forbids the government from passing any laws regarding weapons. However, it merely recognizes a pre-existing right and does not grant a right. Rights do not come from government and cannot be revoked by government. All gun laws are counterfeit laws.

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Armed Bear,

Can we please accept that, when arguing about candidates, that we're talking about 68% vs. 42%, or 80% vs. 50%, or 70% vs. 65%, or whatever?

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Not really. The fact that I only agree with Paul 2/3 of the time doesn't mean that I'd support Hillary.

There are other intangibles we are selecting that override specific issues. For me those would be integrity, honesty, rationality, and overall guiding philosophy. That's what makes me supportive of Paul. My #2 choice would be Wesley Clark even though I disagree with his positions on many issues that are important to me (not the least of which is RKBA), he's still far more suited to lead the country than Thompson IMO. Of course, Clark isn't running...

By the way, just what were your poll results? They seem to be missing.

I only match up with Kent McManigal 90% when I take the test. Which is kinda funny... since he is me. Ron Paul comes in 2nd.

Dull'Hawk" said:

I only match up with Kent McManigal 90% when I take the test. Which is kinda funny... since he is me. Ron Paul comes in 2nd.

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Since I consistently vote Libertarian, and since odds are against Ron Paul getting the GOP position, you will get my vote in the general election. I must be you also since I scored McManigal 90% with Ron Paul second at 88%.

When I looked at your writeup, my wife and I had a good laugh as your innovative "zero minimum wage" concept; a good way to put it.

Well, I don't give much credence to these things, but I guess I'll play along.

2. Ron Paul (77%)
3. Kent McManigal (68%)
4. Tom Tancredo (64%)
5. Duncan Hunter (60%)
6. Newt Gingrich (60%)
7. Chuck Hagel (53%)
8. John McCain (53%)
9. Mitt Romney (53%)
10. Fred Thompson (53%)

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At least it got the first one right.

By the way, Dull'Hawk, hilarious! Glanced over your views. Agree with a lot of them (maybe 68%? ).

Cheers, all.

I think the reason I only score 90% agreement with myself is that I want alternative answers for some of their questions. Someone from the LP forwarded a questionaire to me from Selectsmart, and then some glitch lost it when I tried to send it in to them. Worse, it would not let me try again. So I wrote them and they sent me the questions, which I answered. Then they wrote back with additional questions they had forgotten to include the first time. Then when I took the selector quiz I was frustrated at not being able to choose my real answer to some questions. I also think they left out a lot of critical questions.
Still, it's an interesting quiz. That "Theoretical Candidate" must be some really good politician to be able to be "all things to all people".