Poll says Iowans like Rice in '08

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http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2005/08/17/news/local/doc4302d1adb71af117142698.txt

Poll says Iowans like Rice in '08

Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 8:02 p.m.

By Todd Dorman

DES MOINES — U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a surprising top choice for president among Iowa Republicans, according to a poll to be released today — more than two years before the state's first-in-the-nation caucuses.

Among 400 Republicans who said they are likely to attend the 2008 caucuses, Rice received the backing of 30.3 percent. U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona was second in the survey with 16 percent, and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani received support from 15.3 percent. Roughly 20 percent were undecided.

Aside from the very early horse race, the poll also found a majority of Republicans surveyed oppose federally funded research on embryonic stem cells.

The poll, conducted by Davenport-based political consulting firm Victory Enterprises, has a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percent. Voters were surveyed Aug. 8-10.

Steve Grubbs, a former Republican Party of Iowa chairman who heads Victory Enterprises, said he was surprised by Rice's strong showing in the poll.

"It's amazing for me to see someone who was relatively unknown three or four years ago topping the popularity list for Republicans,'' Grubbs said. "It's not your grandparents' GOP anymore.''

Rice likely benefits from high name recognition, Grubbs said. The poll found that 94.5 percent of those surveyed have heard of Rice, and 79 percent have a favorable opinion of her.

McCain, Giuliani and former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich also scored over 90 percent in the name recognition department. But 33 percent of those surveyed had an unfavorable view of McCain, who skipped Iowa's caucuses in 2000.

"He's been a maverick in the party,'' Grubbs said of McCain. "It's created a lot of fans and a lot of people who aren't fans.''

Gingrich received an unfavorable rating from 24 percent. Giuliani was viewed favorably by 66 percent.

Rice so far has deflected questions about her ambitions, although the Internet is jammed with "draft Rice'' Web sites. The poll found that with Rice's name off the candidate list, McCain and Giuliani led the survey with 21.7 percent each.

On issues, the poll showed that 54 percent of Republicans surveyed believe it's a "bad idea'' for the federal government to fund medical research using embryonic stem cells. Another 32 percent supported funding and 13 percent were undecided.

Meanwhile, one political observer said the poll shows that women candidates are more accepted these days.

"She's a new face and a different face," said Dianne Bystrom, director of the Carrie Chapman Catt Center for Women and Politics at Iowa State University. "The good news is there's increasing acceptance for women candidates."

Bystrom said early polls show strong support among Republicans for Rice and among Democrats for U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York. But she said it's far too early to predict whether a historic presdiential matchup lies ahead.

"We'll see if they come to Iowa, then we'll know they're serious," Bystrom said.

Among the other poll findings were:

n 78 percent of Republicans surveyed said the federal government isn't doing enough to address illegal immigration.

n 61 percent of respondents said they vote for candidates who are "pro-life'' compared with 11.2 percent who vote "pro-choice'' and 25 percent who said the abortion issue didn't matter much to them.

n 58 percent said they vote for candidates who support the National Rifle Association and gun rights.

n 41 percent said stopping terrorism should be the No. 1 priority of the president and Congress, followed by reducing the size of government at 13.5 percent and improving the moral climate of the country at 12.3 percent. Improving schools and creating jobs scored 9 percent and 5.7 percent.

Todd Dorman can be contacted at (515) 243-0138 or at [email protected].

Poll questions

Here are two questions from the Victory Enterprises survey. The list of candidates' names was rotated.

n And if you were voting today in the Iowa caucuses for the Republican nomination for president, who would you vote for if the following candidates were running?

Bill Frist 8.0 percent

George Pataki 2.8 percent

Rudy Giuliani 21.7 percent

John McCain 21.7 percent

George Allen 1.5 percent

Mitt Romney 2.2 percent

Newt Gingrich 13.8 percent

Undecided 28.3 percent

n Now I will read you a list of potential candidates for president that is slightly different. Please tell me who you would vote for if the following people were running.

Condoleezza Rice 30.3 percent

Bill Frist 3.7 percent

George Pataki 2.0 percent

Rudy Guiliani 15.3 percent

John McCain 16.0 percent

George Allen 0.7 percent

Mitt Romney 0.5 percent

Newt Gingrich 7.5 percent

Sam Brownback 1.0 percent

Haley Barbour 0.0 percent

Chuck Hagel 2.5 percent

Undecided 20.5 percent
 
Funny.

You'd think they'd prefer corn.

*rimshot*

ANYHOW

I agree with the Iowans. While TRH is right insofar as she's a statist, so is everyone else with even the remotest shot of winning in 2008. She'd be an unprecedented political coup for the Republican party - the first female and minority president out of the GOP would undercut much of the Democrats' effort towards moral high ground.

Not that I trust the Republicans as champions of liberty, justice, and all that is right, but we've got a better shot of moving the Republican party more to our liking than we do the Democratic.
 
Rice has said memories of Birmingham's racial turmoil shaped some of her core values.

During the bombings of the summer of 1963, her father and other neighborhood men guarded the streets at night to keep white vigilantes at bay. Rice said her staunch defense of gun rights comes from those days. She has argued that if the guns her father and neighbors carried had been registered, they could have been confiscated by the authorities, leaving the black community defenseless.

Condi is a self-described "second amendment absolutist".

We could do a heck of a lot worse. I like her. :)
 
I like Condi. She is probably the brightest individual in the group. I'd like her to start wearing elegant suits, tho. I think that would make her much more "statesman" like. (statesman is generic in this instance for those of you wound up in political correctness :neener: )

On the other hand, absolutely nobody would be able to verbally spar with Newt and he is probably a dead heat with Condi in the intellectual department. One of the great historians of our time. His only fault is his marital stuff. But I think we have had enough of the same behavior that it doesn't matter anymore(Klinton)
What was the thing he resigned over? A book deal? Not an issue either imho.

Maybe Newt potus and Condi vpotus???
 
I'm a Condi fan, particularly because of her 2A stance.

I was not aware of her being a statist. Can someone give me some examples (other than toe-ing the Bush line, which is kinda expected.) Anything from before the Bush days? I want to know before I give her my full support.
 
Given a choice between Rice, McCain, or Gingrich, I have to say that Rice is likely to do far less damage than either of the other two.

And far, far, far less damage than H. Clinton.

pax

No government could be better than the one we have.
 
Given a choice between Rice, McCain, or Gingrich, I have to say that Rice is likely to do far less damage than either of the other two.

I agree ... however
1) McCain won't get the nomination (and if he does, thats our signal to cross Claire Wolfe's line...he's as bad if not worse then Hillary).
2) Gingrich couldn't get elected if you dipped him in honey and rolled him in peanuts and offered every voter a million dollars each to vote for him. So if you're going to pick one of those 3 as the GOP candidate, Rice is clearly the best choice (although McCain would have the best chance of getting elected...Democrats love him...that alone should be warning enough)
 
Condi ?

Co-opted by evil neo-cons (what ever that means), member CFR, no doubt a Bilderburg initiate, not sure if she's a trilat. So far no evidence she went to the Bohemian Grove.

Besides that, she was seen entering a flying saucer in Area 51. :D
 
The Republicans will pick a white male governor of an electorally important state.
E.g., Florida, Ohio, California, Pennsylvania

Ohio - Bob Taft: RINO indicted yesterday for fraud
California - Arnorld: not elegible w/o Const. amendment
Penn. - ????
Florida - Jeb Bush: another Bush, good guy but not likely
 
Black, female, and single. There is no one way the rebublicans will run her.
 
Danhei? Why?

Female. Going to be a moot point as '08 would probably then be female vs. female. Hillary will outspend the other demos by a huge margin. The nomination is hers for the taking.

Race. Also going to be moot. If Condi picks up even 10% of the black vote then the demos are in a huge amount of trouble. If you are worried about white people not voting for her because of her race, I also think that is no worry. As somebody said on one of these threads, if Condi is running agaist Hillary, the Klan will turn out to campaign for Condi. :)

Single. The only people who are going to really care about this issue are the Christian right moralists. Do any of you seriously see them voting for Hillary instead? The middle of America/swing voter, may care a tiny bit, but I honestly don't see it being that big of an issue.

In any debates, Condi will destroy Hillary. Condi is more likable, has more personality, and is smarter. Hillary is more evil, and is the better politician, I'll give her that.
 
Single. The only people who are going to really care about this issue are the Christian right moralists. Do any of you seriously see them voting for Hillary instead? The middle of America/swing voter, may care a tiny bit, but I honestly don't see it being that big of an issue.
Also gets us past that quandry of what to call the "first gentleman."

I would vote for her in a heartbeat. I fear that the Republican establishment will continue to misread the signs and will continue to believe that we need to run a "moderate" to have a chance against a leftist in disguise like Hillery.
 
She is in favor of legal abortion. This would cause problems in the republican party.
It might. Probably would. But she could make it a non-issue by keeping mum. Other than those who use the issue as a litmus test for SCOTUS appointments, the POTUS really has no effect on the issue.
 
Condi absolutely ROCKS on the RKBA.

What really matters is WHY she's strong on them - she has personal family history in the use of arms to prevent civil rights violations. Her support for the RKBA is based on personal and community defense. There's an interview she did some years back, I think for a Stanford U. newspaper...?

It does NOT get any better than that, folks. OK? Bush's stance is only based on theory, not personal experience.

Now. The other big issue as far as I'm concerned is finances/economics. She's sent mild signals that she's not happy with the current money hemmorage...but out of loyalty to the boss she's thus far not been vocal on it.

That may change if she actually runs.
 
It just keeps getting worse: Carter then Reagan then Bush the one then Clinton then Bush the two; Who's next Daffy Duck, Pepe LePew, or that most famous neocon of all Foghorn Leghorn?
 
Black, female, and single. There is no one way the Republicans will run her.
I hear lots of people say this (usually Democrats) but I have yet to see one salient, cogent reason given for this position (other then the typical Ad Hominem "Republicans are racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic Christian Theocrats!"...usually followed by much frothing at the mouth and heavy breathing).


Other then the fact that the GOP has never nominated a Black single female (which no party has) can you give us some real reasons for the statement?
 
Iowa is no more or less racist than other states. If she can pull those kinds of numbers there, she can get them elsewhere.

And, as others have said, if the choice is Hillary or Condi, where is even the most anti-female racist right-of-center voter going to go? Not to Hillary.

I don't want to venture into the abortion issue other than say that neither side has gained an inch in DC in a long time (other than GW's ban on further stem cell lines), so even her stance on abortion may be seen as a non-issue.

She really could win. And it would be the most exciting campaign in my lifetime.
 
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