a particularly deadly handgun?

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While reading the response to the question, "What's the difference between a shotgun that's been sawed off and a "sawed-off shotgun"?" at http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msawedoff.html, my mind balked when I read, "Shortening the barrel of a shotgun makes it easier to conceal and in effect turns it into a particularly deadly handgun".

I agree that shorter makes it easier to conceal, but turning it into a "particularly DEADLY handgun"? More than others? :banghead:

The term "sawed-off shotgun" typically refers to a shotgun that's been illegally modified to make it shorter than a specified minimum length. In the U.S., federal law places a variety of strict controls on any shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18 inches, or one that's less than 26 inches long overall – it must have a National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, it requires a background check and a $200 fee prior to transfer, it may be transferred only though a federally licensed dealer, etc. (26 USC § 5845 provides some definitions.)

So if your shotgun has a 22-inch barrel and you use a saw to lop three inches off it, the weapon you now own isn't per se illegal in length and so, I suppose, wouldn't be what's generally thought of as a "sawed-off shotgun," though obviously that's literally what it is.

Why the prohibition against home shotgun surgery? Shortening the barrel of a shotgun makes it easier to conceal and in effect turns it into a particularly deadly handgun. In fact, in some jurisdictions, any device resulting from the sawing down of a shotgun legally qualifies as a handgun. A ne'er-do-well looking to pack some undetected heat may be prevented by local restrictions from simply going down to the nearest gun shop and buying a handgun, but with a shotgun, a hacksaw, and a vise he can create a potent firearm that's nearly as concealable. Accordingly, many jurisdictions prohibit outright the possession or transfer of illegally-modified shotguns, and the very act of sawing a shotgun barrel, to whatever length, may in some cases constitute illegal manufacture of a firearm.

Because firearm laws can vary dramatically from state to state, any sawing of shotguns is a potentially risky proposition. In short: if you've got a shotgun, learn to love it just the way it is.
 
I don’t think the statement "Shortening the barrel of a shotgun makes it easier to conceal and in effect turns it into a particularly deadly handgun" is factually incorrect. A short barrel shotgun does have greater terminal performance than most handguns, at short range. And even if most handgun rounds maintain speed better than shotgun rounds past 25 or 50 yards, the chances hitting a target with a handgun at those ranges is small enough to make any performance advantage moot. Also I believe statistics show buckshot and slug shotgun hits are fatal 90%+/-of the time, and the fatality rate for handgun hits (all types) is around 30%+/-.

Note the statement is not saying sawing off a shotgun makes it more deadly than a non-sawed off shotgun, only more concealable.

So, what handgun round has terminal performance comparable to a 12 guage slug?
45/70?
.50 BMG?
600 NE Revolver

Well, those handguns may have greater muzzle energy than a 12 gauge. But again when factoring in the odds of hitting a target I think a sawn-off still needs to be considered more deadly.

Did you notice I’m a big shotgun fan?
 
Why the prohibition against home shotgun surgery? Shortening the barrel of a shotgun makes it easier to conceal and in effect turns it into a particularly deadly handgun.

Look, this is ultimately about energy density, in other words, how can you squeeze maximum energy into a concealable package?

The false underlying premise here is that there somehow ought to be some sort of limit on energy density, as if there was some sort of concept of "too fatal".


Historically and legally, it's simply not the case. The prohibition of SBS and SBR is entirely an artifact of the '34 NFA, which had language to prevent the creation of a handgun from a longarm, because handguns were originally going to have the same restrictions as full autos.

I suspect the reason the language was left in was frankly as a classist bias against folks who aren't rich.

Then, as now, handguns were simply more expensive than longarms. In fact, the difference was even greater than it is today. Back then, a shotgun was a $5 item, and a handgun was $25 or more, yielding an appoximate ratio of handguns being 5x as expensive as long guns.
 
So taking the logic exhibited here and extending it, we can now say that since concealability enhances deadliness my P3AT is the worst. Is that where we are going?

No. The author said a sawn off shotgun was a particularly deadly handgun - which is true. He did not say it was a particularly deadly shotgun.
 
Thanks, geekWithA.45! Your "concept of "too fatal"" seems to define exactly what I thought about it..... Dead is Dead!
 
..."concept of "too fatal"" seems to define exactly what I thought about it..... Dead is Dead!
The phrase in the original article is “more deadly” not “more dead.” The author is not saying a shot gun can make anyone more dead, or that it is “to fatal”. The word “deadly” is describing the gun not something shot by the gun. The author is using the first (most common) definition of the word “deadly” found in the dictionary:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/deadly

1: likely to cause or capable of producing death <deadly poison>

http://www.bartleby.com/61/36/D0053600.html

1. Causing or tending to cause death: deadly weapons; a deadly spill of radioactive waste products.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861602842

1. causing death: able or likely to cause death

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=19819&dict=CALD

deadly, adjective, likely to cause death: a deadly virus, a deadly weapon

The statement says a shotgun is “particularly deadly” meaning “particularly likely, able, capable or tending to cause death” when compared to handguns.
 
legally speaking yes...if you put a PG on a shotgun it becomes a handgun....so I guess you could say it would be a particularly dealy one-LOL Shorten the bbl beyond 18" abd it becomes an AOW...and I believe you need to be LISCENSED MANUFACTURER to do that and that there is surely paperwork and some tax dollars involved...though to the end buyer I think it's a $25 tax not a $200 one for some reason. In my state you can buy a AOW but no SBS's (state law there) yet machine guns and silencers are OK (as long as you follow federal law and regs)
 
A particularly deadly gun is one that makes you even more dead than if you were shot with a regular gun.:)
 
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