Spring Planting, long term storage Qs

XDKingslayer said:

You can bet those victims of Katrina who had their weapons confiscated wished they had a stash somewhere. And they lived.... yet again disproving the "if its time to bury guns its time to dig them up" philosophy.

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So....just how would the victims of Katrina dig up said weapons?

Scuba gear?

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Note the "somewhere" which does not necessarily mean "right in their backyard." Maybe their caches firearms wouldn't have been accessible to them immediately. Nevertheless, my understanding is that many people who were the victims of confiscation have still not received their guns back. What if all their guns were taken? I bet many of the people whose arms were confiscated had the same "from my cold dead hands" mentality - at least one must have - but I haven't heard of any stories where someone actively resisted. I mean, realy, 5 JBTs locked and loaded demanding your guns...do you really want to go down shooting? I prefer to pick my battles, and that wouldn't be one of them.

Aside from the more paranoid reasons to cache guns, there are more practical ones. Confiscation, like mentioned above. Also, how about loss? This is a litle extreme, but what if you live in a city and are the subject of a terrorist act or a misguided missile? For one reason or another your house/building is vaporized, or at least on fire. What do you have to protect yourself now? I'm a firm believer in not putting all my eggs in one basket.

El T, I must admit I have litle to contribute to this thread, but would like to thank you for its inception. I have been considering this very idea and have gained valuable insight.

On second thought, now that I think about it, I do have something to mention, my dad once talked about with me. If you're storing ammo in ammo cans, to add a little level of waterproofing you can use silicone gasket maker. Just a thought.

Anyone else notice...

Anyone else notice the difference in perception (i.e. paranoia) regarding gun confiscation between south Texas and Cook County, Illinois?

The guy in Texas wakes up, walks outside, and fires off a few rounds to let his neighbors know he’s up and about, and it’s okay to drop by for a visit.

The guy in Cook County wakes up, reads the headlines in the paper, and the politicians are trying to pass a law banning his auto-loading shotgun/high power rifle, having already banned handgun possession. Even though they all have concealed carry permits and want to be on the Jerry Springer show.

So, the guy in Indiana is probably thinking:

A.) Presidential Election coming up shortly;. A lot of Republicans (RINOs) giving up their seats in the House and Senate; the long coattail effect of whoever wins. not good

B.) Even though I’m an Alpha Wolf, there are 10,000,000 or so sheep within a few hours drive of my location. (Gary Larson, where are you when we need you?)

C.) The neo-terrorists have staged a symbolic “major event” shortly after the election of every new president since Jimmy Carter. (They don’t care about the 4th of July, Christmas, or the Super Bowl; they make their own dates to be remembered in history.)

D.) So, you can flip a coin on Chicago; it’s Pascal’s Wager all over again, like the L.A. riots, Katrina, etc,….

So, no way am I going to second-guess the guy in Indiana analyzing his situation and being prepared. I’ll bet he was a Boy Scout. So was I.

Kerf

I've been thinking about this for a while. I'm going to use many of the methods (behind dry wall, buried in the yard, etc) to squirrel away guns wherever i can think of. again, the idea of putting my eggs in separate baskets. Plus, eventually, i'm going to buy a big chunk of land somewhere nice and dry, bury a bunch of stuff and mark it with a GPS so i know where it is. then I'll scatter a bunch of "chaff" around the entire property so the metal detectors really are going off every second. then there will be some in the house, some in the truck, just about everywhere. most easily accessible and a few obvious decoys. hopefully, the black helos won't come around for a while though, cuz i'm not going to have this property for a while.

bury a bunch of stuff and mark it with a GPS so i know where it is.

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Unless you have survey grade GPS, I would advise against this. The hand helds commonly used are a lot better these days, especially since the selective availability has been removed, but they still wander a good bit. If they decide to reinstate the SA, what do you do then?

If your going to do it, triangulate where you put it with measurements to landmarks in the general area, so you can find it no matter what.

Better take good sightings and trianglation measurments.

Prior to starting the collection process they will have turned off the GPS system.

Now what you gonna do?

(I hear the stomp of the jackboots now)




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While having cheap insurance isn't a bad idea, mentioning your plans on a public forum is .

The British are coming.

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Do ANY of these conditions exist where any of you guys live?

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Actually, Boston PD is currently starting up door-to-door search-and-confiscate operations ... not particularly unlike what happened some 225 years ago.

Actually, Boston PD is currently starting up door-to-door search-and-confiscate operations ... not particularly unlike what happened some 225 years ago

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Unless you consider that the Boston PD search is voluntary, not door-to-door, and one must call in to ask them to search giving consent and signing a waiver, then it is completely unlike what happened 225 years ago.

you dont need GPS, be somewhat familiar with the area, mark it with a trash pile or a pile of busted up cinder blocks for example. dont forget to scatter a good amount of old nails, bolts, etc to throw off the metal detectors.

That's the Nth variation I've heard on what's happening in Boston. Pardon me while I look for a salt-shaker.

FWIW: DC is also planning comparable search-and-confiscate operations, and it looks like they're trying to actually grab as many as they can before June.

It was only what, 2 years ago that Katrina happened - and nobody expected door-to-door searches there.

The whole point of this exercise is you don't know when (yes, or if) it's going to happen, and should the time come you just won't have time to deal with it. It's called advanced preparation for emergencies.

Argon -- it's a gas. An innert gas. An innert gas with a higher density than air. It is wood safe (used by museums to store ancient documents), non-toxic (used as the gas filler in (expensive) drug bottles to enhance storage life), metal safe (doesn't form nasty compounds w/ any common materials), and cheap. Any welding gas company can provide you with a bottle of the stuff. Ideally you should make sure it is pure argon (some is pre-mixed with CO2 for certain types of welding) but that's not a huge issue.

A simple way to use argon would be to cap one end of a PVC pipe that was a foot or so longer tha all the stuff you want to store in it, Stand the pipe upright and fill with ammo, rifle, and whatever else you want. Now trickle the argon gas into the pipe... you trickle it in slowly and it sinks to the bottom of the pipe and displaces the oxygen, nitrogen, et cetera to the top of the pipe. Once the argon starts overflowing cap the pipe. Of course that will trap a little bit of oxygen in the container... but the oxygen will rise to the top and float above the argon. That's why you have the extra room at the top... to give a safety margin in case more oxygen than expected is in the pipe.

If your seals are sound and trustworthy that is all the protection they will need... no special greases or anything else would be required. If you aren't sure the seals will hold you may want to put the guns (at least) in grease as well. I'd probably not bother with grease myself but I'd test the seals fairly well.

Of course you could get fancier with the containers... a nice welded stainless steel container with fittings for the argon (to allow re-purging) and a re-sealable hatch would be really sweet... but PVC would be good enough.

If using PVC the double-tube idea (with a sleeve burried in the ground and a capped tube slid into the sleeve) seems like a VERY good idea.

Hmmm, I wonder if one of the legal types would consider this 'premediation' to break an as of yet unpassed law. An even more interesting question would the posters on this thread be quilty of conspiricy to violate federal code even though the code being broken has not been passed and may never be passed...

(The fact I would have to take questions like this seriously is the main reason I never went to law school)

Selena

Oh for pity's sake. If you own the land you are hiding the package...

Build a lovely fence around the property then build cement corner posts with lots of re-rod and scrap iron... as well as your package. Poured right and the post would take an excavator to dig it up and a sledge hammer to break it open. No to mention the cement would tend to shed water and keep oxygen away from the center.

I've always been told if you are going to hide something, hide it in plain sight.

Selena

BTW : It's CACHE.... not cash, cashe,cach or kash

Sorry guys. I just read through most of these replies and saw CACHE spelled wrong once too often. I was ready to buy a huge double PVC pipe and seal my favorite country western's picture in it, bury it in the backyard and call it buried cash.

My $.02 worth

I wouldn't bury anything on my property. In the Chicago area, they brought in bulldozers when looking for something on some property, (they never found what they were looking for I might add), but they tore the hell out of the land.

Quick point do NOT use PVC piping as seems to be the favourite flavour. It has a nasty habit over time of out gassing trace amount of chlorine into your nice airtight tube, use Polythene tubing.

If you want to "hide in plain sight" you could use a variant on the casket method.

Get one they use to ship bodies internationally, they are lead lined, air and water tight and built like a brick.

No one likes to disturb a grave.........the zombies may get 'em...

Sorry guys. I just read through most of these replies and saw CACHE spelled wrong once too often. I was ready to buy a huge double PVC pipe and seal my favorite country western's picture in it, bury it in the backyard and call it buried cash.

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Now that's funny stuff right there, I don't care who ya are!

Correct everyone's spelling and then say "and seal my favorite country western's picture in it"

My favorite country western??? What in the HELL does that mean?

Or in a toilet tank and call it "Johnny Cash."

http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/cache.htm

this site has enough more information about caching than you could possibly believe. Enjoy.

The idea of using dry ice seems pretty good but then I started thinking about it. When CO2 is in contact with water it will cause the water to become acidic. Carbonic acid I believe is the name. So if you have some moisture in the container it will acidify in the CO2 environment. I suspect that what might happen is that when you place the cold dry ice in the upright tube that moisture in the air will condense inside the tube and on any items in the tube. Then you seal up the CO2 filled tube with moisture all over everything and the moisture will turn to acid.

I know that lead will oxidize so when a sufficient amount of lead is in an enclosed space this oxidation of lead will use up the O2 in the enclosed space. Perhaps some lead sheeting or even better a bunch of uncoated lead shot placed in the sealed tube would be a good idea.

Also one should make sure that the tube is denser than wet soil. Understand that it must be not be just as dense as water. It must have a density greater than the wet (or one day wet) soil that it is in. Otherwise it will float.

One thought is to place “well sealed disassembled items” suspended with a thin line inside the vent tube of your drain plumbing that you access on your roof. You could get to these “items” quickly and easily. There are also hollow voids in your home such as the space above slanted ceilings (such as above stairways) that can be accessed from within your attic. Items can be suspended inside the void from above with a line attached to the ceiling joists above the void.

I posted this on the other thread.>

I agree with the sealed pvc, but painted brown and attached to the top of a very tall tree. No one ever looks up!

I agree with the sealed pvc, but painted brown and attached to the top of a very tall tree. No one ever looks up!

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Bad storage spot for an ice storm, huricane or a lot of other natural and unnatural disasters.

The punk pulled a Glock 7! Do you know what that is? He buried it years before and it didn't even rust!

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