Long Term Gun Storage Success Story

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Yeah, notorious, I know about the Liberator pistol, but exactly how successful was it? Seems like you shoot an enemy soldier and then bring 10 of his closest buddies running towards YOU! Before you can even get his stuff. I don't think the ATF agents (or whomever) will be going door-to-door without LOTS of backup.

Dude... that's why I said maybe not because it didn't quite work out so well.

However, the Liberator concept is not to take on a group of JBTs storming your door in a front line battle but for after the occupation happens, and then the resistance members to ambush the one guard and take his weapon so you can restock your own armory.

The guards who are responding will also end up in a hail of Liberator gunfire from fellow resistors... then the survivors get to engage in close mortal combat... and then the resistors run off with a new cache of arms and ammo and possibly even some uniforms so they can sneak into Stalag 17 and rescue the prisoners of war... yeah... that's it.
 
The primary reason for such a cache is protection against an unspecified threat that will come AFTER the confiscation of guns. Historically, gun confiscation is always followed by something very unpleasant. Even if that emergency does not come directly from our own government, it could still come in the form of a disaster or invasion that results in a serious blow to public order.

Long story short: having a gun and ammunition in reserve is a safeguard against any number of situations that could come after a confiscation. Many people are unable to see beyond the confiscation or beyond the fact that they will not be allowed to use their saved guns. It's not an insurance policy against confiscation, it's an insurance policy against what might happen after confiscation.
 
The Liberators were extremely small, basic, inexpensive, 2" smooth-bore barrel, un-blued single-shot pistols (five .45 Auto cartridges stored in the grip when dropped behind enemy lines in the Phillipines)...easy to hide and useful for people who had no other firearms.

Wish I'd acquired one of those curiosities when I had the chance! Haven't seen one for 20 or 30 years...
 
If there are riots, we are ready. If there is some natural disaster, we are ready. :scrutiny:

If the government comes for your guns, it is too late. :(

Support gun advocate groups. Vote pro gun. Period. :cool:
 
The primary reason for such a cache is protection against an unspecified threat that will come AFTER the confiscation of guns. Historically, gun confiscation is always followed by something very unpleasant. Even if that emergency does not come directly from our own government, it could still come in the form of a disaster or invasion that results in a serious blow to public order.

There's some validity to this but it needs to be tempered with the realization that AFTER the confiscation a civilian with a gun is one of the "bad guys".

You may dig up your AK just in time to keep the burning/raping/pillaging zombie hordes at bay but when the police/military/government forces finally show up YOU will be just another criminal with a gun to them.

What's likely is that it will ensure you will be in a combat situation with the forces of the government arrayed against you.

Sort of right where you'd be if you resisted confiscation in the first place. :D
 
ToadPS, the idea is to have the gun available in time of serious need. It can always be reburied after that need is past. There are obvious risks in each course of action.

It's a rather grey area...if our government has violated the 2nd Amendment, that is wrong. Or, should we support a non-benevolent dictatorship that has taken power and meekly go along with whatever they establish as law?

Hopefully the time will never come when we have to decide whether we want to live...or die...as proud free men or sheep. If that time should come, it would not be a difficult decision for me...
 
as a backwoods home subscriber, i read that article when it came out a couple weeks ago. i must say, i'm not sure what's so hard to understand about it.

first of all, you're not burying all your guns or anywhere near a majority of them. you are burying a contingency plan...enough to arm yourself and maybe your family. you could put away an SKS or mosin with several hundred rounds and cleaning supplies for a pretty small price tag and enjoy your nicer stuff in the meantime. you won't miss what's buried.

second, it doesn't mean you're not resisting. it means you're choosing the most strategic place and time for that resistance. fighting back against a surprise ATF raid that puts you against 20 armed government agents is suicide. but history teaches us that guerrilla warfare is quite effective. having a gun available for resistance after confiscation has occurred leaves you the continued option of armed resistance (not to mention self-defense). it means you can choose the circumstances of your battle.

also...i doubt people who choose to do this are concerned about being able to take their gun to the range after confiscation. nor are they worried that they'll be criminals in the post-confiscation world. they are concerned with being effective "criminals", if that makes sense. in this hypothetical circumstance, we'll all be treated as criminals anyway.

resistance during a surprise raid gets you and your family killed. having the means to resistance available thereafter allows you to find like-minded fellows for organized resistance (or simply to defend your family against crime). will you be treated as a criminal for doing so? almost certainly, but that's not the point. the point is to not be helpless and to stay alive.

if that still doesn't make any sense, then please do not bury or otherwise hide any weapons. leave that to us conspiracy theorists.
 
I agree with everything that Texas Bulldog said - that's the reason I posted the article in the first place.

Indeed, resistance at the time of confiscation does get you dead. The buried gun is a secret reserve, one that you dig up a week or a month or more later, when the immediate heat is off. You then use it to, uh, obtain other weapons in exchange for well-placed lead, one piece at a time, and at a time and place of YOUR choosing, presumably with as little risk to you as possible.

Rest assured, people: in the event of a confiscation, every single person that has so much as a single gun that was ever purchased on paper WILL have their entire residence searched, with metal detectors. You could have 15 other guns off paper, but if they're not hidden off site, they will also be confiscated. If you resist, you and your family get to spend a long time inside of a box. Have a gun buried somewhere, and you get to live another day and use it whenever you think it best. No, you won't be doing much plinking at the local range - but that's not why you do what the guy in the article did, is it?
 
My thoughts are about in-line with what texas bulldog and Sam Adams have stated in the two prior posts. Though it may be true that only a tiny percentage of all gunowners would do this, lets just #1) hope it never happens and #2) if it does, pray there are enough like minded folks out there.

This is a long, but very detailed article on the art of caching...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9688720/Special-Forces-Caching-Techniques-TC-3129A
 
Why would plinking at a range even be on your mind after mass confiscation occurs?

Besides, what range are you talking about? Those would be shut down immediately.
 
While reading through this thread, I found it interesting that this morning's CNN Headline News broadcast mentioned the FBI has a "hiring blitz" going on right now. I find it difficult, however, to believe that house-to-house confiscations discussed here can ever come to reality simply because of the huge amount of manpower resources that would be required, and the obvious danger to those L.E. officers on the front lines given that task.

It comes down to weighing all of the possibilities and choosing what would be most likely if this scenario ever comes to pass. It's a no-brainer that, given our current Congressional leadership and our president-elect's political position while in his Illinois office, the 2nd amendment and our rights are going to be under tremendous pressure in the next 4 years.

But, it's probably more likely that they'll find a way to usurp the 2nd Amendment through other means than direct confrontation. Perhaps tie your gun ownership to your home mortgage and foreclose if you don't voluntarily turn them in? Maybe huge taxes? Kill your credit rating and prevent you from buying anything on credit until you turn your pieces in? The list could be endless.... and there is probably a think tank somewhere in D.C. at this moment working out the creative possibilities to get us all into the gun-free Garden of Eden they'd all like to see.

If you've seen the movie "Shining Through" or "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade", both movies had scenes where German citizens were cheering Hitler. He had a huge following - indeed, an entire nation -- that had been brainwashed and ultimately became cultish. They followed him into oblivion and ruination, blind to what was going on behind the scenes while millions were first disarmed under the guise of "common sense security measures", then shipped to death camps.

During this campaign and election, we have witnessed a similar event that some history buffs could possibly correlate to an earlier generation of similar glee and ignorance. Let us all pray that those experts are wrong, and the need to bury the means of protecting oneself guaranteed by the framers of our Constitution never comes.

But I -did- read the article you linked in the first post. ;)
 
What's the point of buying guns if you don't intend to use them? Remember, the 2nd amendment is really about giving us the means to resist a tyrannical government. It's unlikely the votes would be there in the 50 state legislatures to repeal the 2nd Amendment, so if the cops or ATF comes around to confiscate them, they will be no better than any other common criminal. They'd better bring body bags because I wouldn't hesitate a moment to fight back, regardless of the uniform they're wearing.
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Actually, the legions of Obamaphiles will follow him into ruin and not blink an eye. That guy can't do any wrong and anything he says is gospel since he is the annointed one.

Now he wants us to spend in a depression and it's a smart move but when GW wanted us to spend after 9/11, he got decried as an idiot.

In any event, as seen in NOLA, it's not the feds who will do the dirty work but they will conscript the locals into their "joint task force" like they do for every other thing they do such as drug and organized crime and everything that they don't have manpower to do.
 
I initially looked at military gasketed ammo cans for storage...have decided that they have two big disadvantages:

(1.) They rust. They work for dry storage, but not underground, unless you seal them into very heavy duty (multiple?) plastic bags. I fear those would be subject to mechanical damage and possibly tree root penetration.

(2.) They have no means of being padlocked, unless you drill and mount the padlock hasps.

How about 5-gal plastic buckets, with a bead of silicone sealant on the rim?

I can see that the thick-wall plastic large diameter pipes, with pipe caps cememted on both ends would be about perfect. If cut several inches longer than necessary, they could be reused by cementing on another end cap.

How deep do they have to be buried to escape metal detectors such as the police or military would use? Location beneath a dead tree stump as done in the initial story was rather ingenious...but what if you don't readily have such a solution? Would location beneath a concrete slab loaded with rebar serve as adequate protection from detection?:confused:
 
... They have no means of being padlocked, unless you drill and mount the padlock hasps....

It's already buried in a secret location. I don't think a lock is necessary. It might even be a bad idea. What if you forget the combination? Or lose the key? Or the lock rusts shut. Now you either have to cut it or cut through the can. Lack of tools could be a major issue as could damaging the contents. If you need to access it you will probably need to do so quickly and you might not be able to drag it back home to the tool shed to get it open.

One thing I think should be done when using the pvc method is seal a hacksaw blade and one of the small single handed holders, or some other type of saw in plastic and tape it to the outside. A good quality version of one of those wire saws they used to put in the survival knives would work, the Pocket Chainsaw might be the best as it would also be another useful tool to have.
 
Wuchak - excellent idea on the hacksaw.

If one can spare the funds and can obtain a larger outer tube (as I mentioned in the first post), the inner tube containing your package can simply be lifted out. The hacksaw would be attached to the outside of the inner tube. I'd also suggest the use of Eezox or RIG to protect the blade.
 
Hexhead - OF COURSE the idea of having a weapon is to use it in case of need. We all understand the use of a firearm against an invading force or a tyrannical government. However, fighting back from a fixed position against a better-armed and numerically superior force that probably has you both surprised and surrounded will only earn you first place in the "next trip to the morgue" contest.

The idea of burying ONE or SOME (note: NOT, NOT, NOT ALL) of your weapons is to be able to still have something after that force described above comes to your house and confiscates everything it wants from the house at the point of 10 or 20 guns. Play their game, lie low, pick your own time and place for "fighting it out." In doing so, you may have the opportunity to enhance your then-meager collection.
 
Sam Adams...

i too like the idea of storing your package tube inside a larger tube. you can bury the larger tube, then place the smaller diameter one inside it. if you seal the larger tube with a handled end-piece and do not cement it, you don't even need a saw. simply unscrew the outer pipe and lift out the inner one. the outer pipe need not be cemented shut if the inner one is. this way you need only dig out the top of the tube rather than all 4 to 6 feet of it. you can also replace it with far less effort.
 
For most of us, we can just throw the PVC tube in our basement or attic, or even just our tool room. Nobody will be able to find anything in there.
 
notorious, I can't believe it took that long for someone to reference Red Dawn. The author had a great idea about putting it under a dead tree because it wouldn't get direct root damage plus it would be almost imposable to find with a metal detector.
 
notorious, I can't believe it took that long for someone to reference Red Dawn. The author had a great idea about putting it under a dead tree because it wouldn't get direct root damage plus it would be almost imposable to find with a metal detector
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Ever since Jan. 5th, that has been my battle cry (WOLVERINES!).

I am always pleasantly surprised how many people know what I am talking about. It brings a smile to my face to know there are a lot of like-minded people.

Oh... so yeah, I like the dual PVC tube method, but I would also maybe find some pipes, gas main or electrical conduits to bury it under... carefully, of course. Maybe it's not such a good idea but since I am not a handyman, I am just making it up.
 
Flag Check...(looking out front window)...

yup, U.S. Colors still flying over front lawn...

My one point:
the 'JIC' 500A is triumph of just how easily 'value added' marketing can turn a perfectly solid and sensible shotgun purchase into somthing that will never be used for practice and will be shoved in a closet sans ammo or cleaning gear.

Yes, squirl some and salt some of everything away for rainy days as needed--just common sense. Even buy a JIC from Mos; just thown some ammo in a can, too!
 
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