Long Term Gun Storage Success Story

[Sam Adams]

I found this gem today: http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html

If anyone has any suggestions for improvements, sources of supply for some of the products used in the article, or can identify the rust preventative oil used, please chime in. After all, with the Obamessiah about to enter office, many more people may be doing what the guy in the article did 15 years ago. I'd hate to see anyone dig up their property in 10 or 15 years and find a bunch of rusted junk.

My first suggestion for an improvement (not my idea, I saw it elsewhere on the web): Attach some rope to the tube's top, so that it can be easily lifted out. Put the tube containing the gun, ammo, etc. inside a larger tube. Close the larger tube (8" diameter in this case) with a simple screw-top cap. That way, once you've located the package, all you need to do is unscrew the cap and lift out the smaller tube. This has 2 advantages: first, one additional tube to resist moisture and any potential crushing forces; second, once you've found your package, getting it out is very, very easy (and quick, which may possibly be a concern).

Second suggestion: Eezox to coat the metal parts. Every single test off rust preventatives that I've seen on the web shows it to be an amazingly effective substance all by itself (which must, of course, be back up by several other layers of protection to ensure successful protection against rust).

Have at it.

 

[MT GUNNY]

Cool story, However I WILL NOT bury my Firearms. I will flaunt them in protest up until someone does Ban them. Then I will have to own them Covertly.

 

[IndianaBoy]

If it's time to bury them....

 

[Sam Adams]

If it's time to bury them....

Yeah, yeah, yeah...that's a cute statement, but very impractical.

What percentage of guns are unpapered, 40 years after the creation of the 4473? I don't know, but I do know that anyone under 58 years of age has most or all of their guns on paper.

SOOOO, if you get a visit from a dozen or so JBTs with a list, you have no real choice AT THAT MOMENT. They will not only take what's on the list, they'll search your house and property and take whatever other metal objects they want to - including any unpapered guns you may have. Leaving you with...what, exactly? Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

OTOH, if someone (hypothetically, of course) did what the guy in the linked article did with an off-paper gun, or one that was on paper but was claimed to have been sold...well, then, someone is in business again as a gun owner.

Reserves, gentlemen, reserves unknown to those who would take everything. THAT is what this is about.

 

[JohnBT]

"so JBTs with a list"

I don't have a list.

JBT

P.S. - And I don't agree that "anyone under 58 years of age has most or all of their guns on paper".

 

[ToadPS]

I have to admit I'm confused about the burying guns idea.

Here we are post-election with American civilians arming up like the war will start tomorrow. People stocking up on ammo; cod knows how many millions of rounds have been bought up since the election. People buying enough semi-auto centerfire rifles to equip their own squads. Magazines out of stock if priced normally.

This (I guess) because folks think national bans or confiscation might be in our near future.

So the solution is to buy tons of stuff and bury it in the back yard?

If one is going to bury one's 3 AK's, 3 AR's and 10k round of ammo for each gun.......... uh............ why buy them at all?

If we're all just going to bury them in the yard and wait, what exactly would we be waiting for?

The only point in having a gun if confiscation comes is to fight back as far as I can see.

Here's an odd thought......... those guys at Lexington and Concord could have just left the stuff hidden/buried and waited. I wonder why they didn't?

 

[JWarren]

I am totally against the "burying" theory.

I am all for the "boating" theory.


For instance...

I was duck hunting in the Gulf of Mexico with my M4gery when we hit a bump. It fell overboard. I am lucky to be alive.

I didn't fill out a police report on a firearm lost at sea since it was never going to be seen again.

Since it was perfectly legal to sell it FTF at the time, I never believed that I'd need to actually show proof that it would be here.

So, it isn't here.


Until you COMPLETELY throw out the Constitution, you don't have a case against me.

And if you throw out the Constitution, I sincerely hope there are still people in this US that will stand beside me in opposing you.

But until that day, pound sand.




-- John

 

[chuckusaret]

Gee, I'll just tell them that I sold most of them with the exception of one pistol, a Jennings and hand it to them. There is no requirement to maintain any sales records between private citizens in Florida, but I do, even if its just a hand written bill of sale signed by both parties.

 

[wuchak]

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[cleardiddion]

Pretty interesting article.

 

[notorious]

I am ordering a JIC kit on Monday. Now I just need to find a wooded area near Los Angeles.... and throw in a few pistols in there too.

 

[regal]

I wonder if Patrick Henry would be cowardly burying his guns if he were alive today.

The day we have to bury firearms, its over, done. Time to abdicate to Holland.

 

[travis74]

I understand the concept. I dont think it would be that bad of an idea. I guess burying them might be carrying it a bit far but if they came to confiscate them I think it makes sense. I would just bury it for the time being, until they left. When the "government goons" as he calls them or more like "ATF Goons" came to your door. They would get whatever guns they could find. If you had them buried then they would not find them. So what is the problem with that? The ATF will not just come to your door nicely taking whatever is on their "list". They know that there are lots of guns that are not registered or have been transferred through sales, etc. The guns my dad give me I cannot even begin to tell you where they came from. i dont even think he knows for sure. In my opinion if it happens, those ATF guys will have the power to come into your house and search for any firearms. Why would they care if they are registered or anything for that matter. To them a gun is a gun and seems to me the more that they could get the more of a "hero" they would be to the politicians and their bosses.

I am just wondering cause I am confused. You mean that you will just hand them over or just flat tell them they can't have them. I will tell you that if it comes to that they will get them, no matter what it takes. By force if they have to. Most ATF guys probably follow orders pretty blindly. Believeing it is for the "greater good". So they would have no problem taking your guns and using force if nessasary. Those guys are not paid to ask questions or agree with the laws. They are there to enforce laws and they would do whatever they had to do within the laws to get your guns. That includes searching your house. I am sure they will have took care of all the "legal" stuff before showing up at your door. If they have the power they will be more than happy to impose their will on you. That is usually the case with the federal government from what I have seen.

Probably sounds crazy to some of you but I can't help it. If a gun confiscation were to occur it would not be pretty and the ATF would not be "nice" about it either.

Someone please tell me if I am wrong but I don't think I am far off on this one.

 

[TooTaxed]

Call it insurance.

If an administration becomes really anti-gun, members of pro-gun groups can expect unannounced raids by the police. It's one way of making sure they don't get everything.

To make it complete, simply file a police report that you lost the gun in a deep lake boating accident.

 

[ToadPS]

Well, a few of these posts illustrate the part I'm confused about.

Suppose the Feds do come for the guns, they buy your totally implausible boating/sale stories and you successfully hide a few that they don't find.

Then what?

I mean, you won't be digging them up on a Saturday afternoon and taking them to the range anymore. Seems obvious that if they're going house to house, they'll be looking for any people surreptitiously using them too. They'll ride to the sound of the guns and arrest/confiscate when they get there.

So what will you do with them? Sit around watching TV, confident and secure in the knowledge that you have a buried AK or AR that you cannot possibly ever dig up and use?

If you see no need to use it to enforce the 2nd Amendment, which Amendment would you use it to enforce?

I guess it comes down to what people actually think they are going to do with all of these guns, this mountain of ammo and the carloads of magazines we've accumulated/stored "just in case".

Just in case of what? In case the government declares the 2nd invalid and comes to take them? Well....no. We're seeing the scenario that we can't fight that so we have to hide/bury/sink/sell the guns so that we have one left just in case.............

uh, just in case what? In case the government decides to invalidate ALL of the Bill of Rights?

I'm still confused. When do we say ENOUGH?

 

[bannockburn]

ToadPS

To my way of thinking, the idea of having a weapons/ammo cache is not so much: "just in case", but more like: "our day will come, so we will wait for a better day".

 

[unisonic12]

I didn't fill out a police report on a firearm lost at sea since it was never going to be seen again.

Uh, that won't work in a lot of places. I'd get thrown in jail in Connecticut because we are required by law to inform the police within 72 hours of the time "we should have know" that the guns went missing, stolen, lost, etc. Don't do that and it gets used in a crime? Guess what...you're getting charged as if you actually did it. And have another felony charge for not reporting the guns...multiple charges...one for each gun.

And spare me the argument that you'd say, "Well, this just happened yesterday." Yeah right, like the jackbooted corrupt CT staties are really going to believe that.

 

[unisonic12]

Suppose the Feds do come for the guns, they buy your totally implausible boating/sale stories and you successfully hide a few that they don't find.

Then what?

That's a VERY good point. Lots of us don't have zillions of acres of land out in the middle of nowhere to shoot on, so we rely on ranges...which would be put out of commission if all firearms were banned. I know I'd feel better about having some "off the grid" to defend myself and my family with, but... I wouldn't put it past them to pass a law saying that ANY use of a firearm against another person(s) will get you a murder or attempted murder in the first degree charge AUTOMATICALLY. NO specific situational issues will be considered AT ALL.

 

[notorious]

I wouldn't put it past them to pass a law saying that ANY use of a firearm against another person(s) will get you a murder or attempted murder in the first degree charge AUTOMATICALLY. NO specific situational issues will be considered AT ALL.

Which is pretty much the law in merry ole England, no? I find it amazing that the government can take away legitimate self-defense like that and tie the citizen's hands to self-preservation... but then again, they are not citizens, but subjects of the crown.

I don't doubt ATF will use whatever force is necessary to get every gun on their list checked off. I wouldn't even doubt that they will deploy metal detectors and sweep your property to find the cache as well as subject you to a polygraph or interrogation and then make you sign something under penalty of perjury that you have no more guns so they can stick something else on you. Don't laugh, I know how government works.

I truly hope that day never comes but with The Obaminator ready to sign the UN treaty against small arms ownership by private individuals and the Senate licking its chops to ratify that treaty, it is closer than ever to fruition that we will be under one world order, and lose our American individuality that made us the leader in the free world.

 

[ToadPS]

To my way of thinking, the idea of having a weapons/ammo cache is not so much: "just in case", but more like: "our day will come, so we will wait for a better day".

OK, that makes a bit more sense.

But only a bit.

I think the irreversible tide in this country (the world for that matter) is anti-gun. The school system is controlled by the anti-gunners and it's beyond doubt the media is controlled by anti-gun people. The number of annual hunting licenses nationwide is in decline. There will be ever increasing numbers of them and ever decreasing numbers of us.

As a result, I would turn this around and say "Their day will come, so they will wait for a better day."

I doubt they'll go for confiscation any time soon, but another AWB seems a foregone conclusion to me.

Which brings me back to the beginning of the circular argument. Buying a squad's worth of AR/AK's, 100K rounds of ammo and a platoon's worth of magazines is pointless if the intent is to bury them and await a better day.

There will never be a better day; eventually the road leads to confiscation and if you are not ready to fight that on day one, you don't need an armory. A single centerfire pistol with a box of ammo will do.

IMO.

 

[unisonic12]

There will never be a better day; eventually the road leads to confiscation and if you are not ready to fight that on day one, you don't need an armory. A single centerfire pistol with a box of ammo will do.

That's a VERY good point. If they come and you resist with lethal force, that's all you're going to get off at the MOST when you commit "suicide by cop, ATF, etc".

 

[twoclones]

Nice article. I was impressed that he included everything necessary to clean the preservation materials from parts and supplies for maintaining/cleaning after shooting. Either could easily have been over looked.

 

[notorious]

That's a VERY good point. If they come and you resist with lethal force, that's all you're going to get off at the MOST when you commit "suicide by cop, ATF, etc".

The various underground resistance forces have done well with single shot pistols like the Liberator, no? Okay... maybe not... but still, the concept was to just take a guard out with 1 shot and take his rifle and ammo... repeat ad nauseum.

 

[unisonic12]

Yeah, notorious, I know about the Liberator pistol, but exactly how successful was it? Seems like you shoot an enemy soldier and then bring 10 of his closest buddies running towards YOU! Before you can even get his stuff. I don't think the ATF agents (or whomever) will be going door-to-door without LOTS of backup.

 

[TooTaxed]

I think we have to go back to the basic reason not only the 2nd Amendment, but also the similar provisions in most, if not all, of the original state constitutions, were written the way they were. Those were written not to provide firearms for sporting or hunting purposes, but to provide basic protection against the possibility of a "government turned sour"...something the American colonists were rebelling against.

They were embarking upon a new, untried form of government, electing a President and Congress, and there was fear of it turning into a non-benevolent dictatorship. Would President Washington and Congress be willing to turn over the government to other elected leaders when their terms were up, or would they change the laws to stay in power? Dictators are very uncomfortable ruling an armed populace, and have disarmed them, so they can do whatever they want without fear of rebellion. (Even Hitler, who banned gun ownership as one of his first acts when he gained power.)

As a side note, I feel that one of the primary differences between the American Democratic and Republican parties is that the Democratic leaders are almost universally strong gun-control advocates, while the Republicans trust the populace to possess guns. I must confess that that makes me a bit nervous...though of course such a dictatorship could never happen here!