Overloaded Factory Ammo and Damaged Gun

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As a Glocker I could jump all over this thread, and post it on other boards but I'm not. Glockers don't do that. This goes to show you KB's are not just attributed to Glocks. Smart gun people know this. But since Glocks rule, Glock haters are overjoyed when one does KB, so they can run in the thread and say "I told you so!" When in reality Glock KB's are extremely rare, and almost always caused by a defective round. Even this incident is rare with a 1911. I've had one jam occur with my G19, and guess what it was, a defect round - damaged casing. Besides that my G19, G26, and G33 have been flawless.
 
Wow! PhillyGlocker, how did my original thread about a firearm (that just happens to be a 1911) and bad ammo become a sounding board for your ardent, passionate and slightly over-the-top rant about Glocks.

Try decaf for a change ;-)
 
I know the argument goes back and forth on here but I don't think I'll ever stop saying "DON'T USE WOLF AMMO!"
Just..... so many problems it seems. I don't know. I have 500 rounds for my AR-15 but..... I don't like to use it. It's not great stuff at all. Their 7.62x39 seems to like my SKS but still...... I just won't buy it ever again.
 
It sounds like Midway is taking their proper role, as advocate to help you get this settled with regards to Wolf's liability.

So what are you going to do with another 500 rounds of ammo you don't want to use?
 
It sounds like Both Wolf and Midway are being really good about this. Please let us know the results of what Kimber comes up with.

I'd also like to add that after reading the WHOLE thread, and all the wolf bashing which was part of it, that I have never had a problem using wolf ammo for my previous AK and my 4 month old SKS. But these are russian guns, and built for that type of ammo.

I wouldn't feed it to any of my other guns.

Why anyone would want to spend alot of money on an expensive gun like a Kimber or a Bushmaster AR15, and then go cheap on the ammo is beyond me.

It's like buying a Bentley and buying discount gas at the seediest gas station in town. I'm glad you learned from this experience.
 
Wow, the manufacturer and distributor are taking care of the problem, and nobody needs to be sued...

What are the chances... :rolleyes:

And yes, I read the whole post. Especially where you consulted with your friend the attorney before anybody had a chance to get back to you.

Glad you are being taken care of, though, and hopefully your new Kimber comes soon.
 
Anyone else find it odd that the slide actually bulged out sideways? Blowing the mag and grips would seem to be par for the course when something goes wrong in a 1911, but that's the first I've seen, in my limited experience, of a slide bowing out like that.

I'd love to know just what the chamber pressure really was. A double-charge sounds unlikely, and bullet setback probably wasn't the issue. Sounds like best guess would be a case failure.
 
Velobard wrote: So what are you going to do with another 500 rounds of ammo you don't want to use?

Quite honestly, I don't know what I'll do with it. I'm really leery now.

John Blaze: Why anyone would want to spend a lot of money on an expensive gun like a Kimber or a Bushmaster AR15, and then go cheap on the ammo is beyond me.

I can answer that. It's because I didn't know better, but should have recalled the age old wisdom: "You get what you pay for..." One thing's for sure, I've learned.... the hard way.

Evan Price:And yes, I read the whole post. Especially where you consulted with your friend the attorney before anybody had a chance to get back to you.

Evan, I really wish you'd let go of the notion that I "consulted" my lawyer friend. Had you been party to the email dialogue you wouldn't be drawing conclusions. In actuality, my friend (who happens to be a lawyer) was on the squad. He was two shooters down from me when the round blew up. Later that afternoon, and after I'd contacted Midway, we were discussing what occurred, and the ramifications from a legal perspective. At no time was real consideration given to legal action. It was more an academic discussion. In fact, what I didn't understand is how Midway had any culpability, and quite frankly, am surprised the way the tort law works. For me, it's counter-intuitive. Anyway, I did take the position that if a remedy couldn't be reached, I would explore legal alternatives - I mean, gee whiz, my 1.5 month old pistol just blew up. That being said, Wolf personnel really stepped up, and also, I think it speaks very highly of Midway that they'd contacted Wolf on my behalf. In a world of call centers in India and voice menus, it was very refreshing to have real people answer who could assist me. Midway is first class and Wolf personnel were very interested in resolution.

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So, now I'll wait for word from Kimber on whether it can be fixed, or needs to be replaced.
 
If you want to get rid of your wolf ammo put it on the trading post with a low price and it'll be gone in hours. I personally don't like it (too dirty for my tastes) but there are plenty of people who would gladly take it off your hands right now given ammo prices.

I hope Kimber takes good care of you.

Have a good one,
Dave
 
From Wolf's web site:

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WOLF is the only ammunition company that provides a 100% Performance Guarantee. If you are not fully satisfied, WOLF will refund your money on the unused portion of the ammunition, including and freight charges.
In that case he'll get exactly what he paid for the "bonus" 500 rounds, zero.

So, now I'll wait for word from Kimber on whether it can be fixed, or needs to be replaced.
Push for replacement.
 
Fireflyfather...I'm Sooo Confused:uhoh:
Yes you are right. I had mixed the 2 Kimber KBs and posted before I reread the thread.
Still a darn shame and I hope both posters get their roscos fixed or replaced at no cost durn it!
Joe
 
Bummer about the Kimber...or any 1911 for that matter. Crying shame really. Well all I can say is that things happen for a reason. Perhaps something good will come out of this.

I am always amazed at how 1911's look when they KB. There really ain't that much damage and the pressure blows straight down the mag safely. You might have a pair of split grips and a stinging hand but at least you didn't eat casing and have to dig the plastic out of your hand and stitch your fingers back on like some other firearms touted above.

Er did I just say that out loud? :uhoh:...:D

I hope you get some new ammo and a new gun to go with it! It will most likely take some time. So in the meantime you can start planning your next purchase!
 
I am always amazed at how 1911's look when they KB. There really ain't that much damage and the pressure blows straight down the mag safely.

That depends on the magnitude of the kaboom. If it's just the one round in the chamber that blows out a case...it's usually no real big thing.

You may get splinters from wood grips, but that's minor compared to what it can be if the bursting round sends hot gasses and shards into the magazine and causes a sympathetic detonation of some of the rounds in the mag. It gets real ugly when that happens.
 
Big Boomer wrote: So in the meantime you can start planning your next purchase!

Uh, well, yesterday when I took the Kimber to my favorite local gunshop to have it shipped, an amazing thing happened: A STi Ranger II leapt from the showcase right into my hand! After handling it, feeling the buttery smoothness of the slide action and experiencing the crisp let off of the trigger.... well, my wallet magically opened all by itself. :) All it needs is an Ambi safety and I'm GTG.
 
I am a customer of MidwayUSA too. I find their service second to none. Email updates on orders and they ship very quick. They also send out emails advising me about specials on ammo...saving 10%.

MidwayUSA has fair pricing, not the cheapest, but not the highest either. Orders are shipped correctly and packed very well.

As a dealer, I am glad to hear they took care of Ativanivar. One simple phone call from them to Wolf, to the right person, got Wolf moving immediately to take care of this. Quick action can save everyone a lot of time, money and hard feelings. It's called service and its easy when you 'care' about your customers and your business. Way to go..MidwayUSA:)
 
I for one am curious about the warranty on the Kimber..... most gun companies say they will not warranty their firearms if you used reloads or Wolf ammo.... something to do with a lack of quality control.

The only Wolf ammo I use is when I am using an AK or SKS, they were designed for this ammo.
 
I've never seen Wolf ammo specifically mentioned in any warranty section of any of my guns, long or short.

I use Wolf in my AR. Never had a problem, ever. For some reason I just can't bring myself to use it in my handguns, even though I paid much more for my AR than most of my handguns. Just my own weird thing. I guess I expect the AR to be a more robust platform.
 
I've never seen Wolf ammo specifically mentioned in any warranty section of any of my guns, long or short.

I know for certain that it was mentioned on 2 of my CZ's (40P and 95B) as well as my Springfield GI model 1911 (mil-spec). Also, according to the people over at Kahr, the do not recommend it for any of their guns (although I am not sure about it violating Kahr's warranty).
 
Not trying to make a stink here, but I'm looking at my SA GI warranty disclaimer right now, as well as online, and can't find a mention of Wolf ammo.

http://springfield-armory.com/assets/downloads/warranty.pdf

I'm also looking at my CZ75 Owners Manual and again, cannot find Wolf specifically mentioned.

Both talk about reloaded, handloaded or remanufactured ammunition, none of which I think describes Wolf (I could be wrong. Is it remanufactured?).

I'm not trying to talk up Wolf. You like it or you don't, but I don't like incorrect information. I'd be interested to see a specific mention, because in my SA and CZ manuals, it's not mentioned.
 

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