"Do you give notice to homeowners before you concealed carry in their home?"

To me, the difference is the word "home". A man's (or woman's) home is their castle. Their wishes and rules always apply.

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A person certainly has the right to forbid guns on their property. They also have the right to forbid Dale Earnhardt t-shirts if they're rabid Jeff Gordon fans, perfume and aftershave if they're allergic, and steel-toed workboots just because.

But if someone didn't tell you up front that those items were forbidden would you go out of your way to ask if you could wear your favorite t-shirt, your Aqua Velva, and your boots?

If I knew in advance that guns were unwelcome and still found it desirable to visit people who don't trust me I would respect their rights just as I wouldn't bring a bacon cheeseburger into a kosher home.

But there's no reason to bring it up -- if they cared they'd tell you just as I respectfully and politely ask visitors to leave off the perfume and smoke outside because I'm asthmatic.

Simply put... Its nobodies business if I am carrying or not.

I don't know about you 3 killerbs, but the list of things I don't want some one bringing into my home is very, very long. I'm not going to ask every one I invite into my home if they are carrying those things. For one it would be very rude. It would also take me well over a day to ask some one.

Now I get invited into more homes then most members of THR ( I average 10-15 a week) I do not bring things that people may find offensive.

Things like, muddy shoes, cell phones, ciggs( I don't smoke so thats easy), fire arms, Shirts that have logos/ other things, hazmat, Political material of any kind, and the list goes on and on...

As I said before, respect, something really lacking in the world today.

This was already revealed in post #4 yesterday.


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Only 3 states require disclosure to the homeowner/occupant that you're carrying:AK,LA,and SC.
If I'm not in one of those 3 states it's #5.
I have a CCW permit.

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Yours is post #43.
Your breaking news is late.

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Solo, all I can say is great minds think alike!

Arkansas also requires you to disclose that you are CCW into their house.

Tom

If you believe a man's home is his castle, then you have an obligation to honor his wishes.

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I had a series of debates regarding self defense, pacifism, the 2A, etc. with my brother (who I love and respect - and who happens to be judge, an avowed pacifist, and an anti). I reported extensively on those conversations here on THR. One of his assertions was that he did not want a firearm in his home. Agreed. No problem. I've been given notice.

I will of course respect and honor a home-owner's wishes if they are expressly made known to me. This applies to any number of issues. They may have an objection against wearing red boxers. Don't know. Didn't ask. Didn't see a sign. I'll leave 'em on.

I have a multitude of family, friends, co-workers, etc. Many of them - for all I know most of them - are either ambivalent or anti. That's the way it is in my world. These are good people who I enjoy being with and who enjoy being with me. But many of them have been brain-washed all their lives and believe things like "Guns cause violence"... "Violence is NEVER the answer"..."If we just get rid of all the guns we can end the violence".

I can't change the world I live in overnight - and frankly I'm not ready to "fly my freak-flag" by carrying OC. So I have thought long and hard about my decision to CCW. I've made my choice. I take full responsibility for that choice. It's personal. It's my business - nobody else's.

I'm not going to create a problem where one doesn't exist by having a debate about the right of self-defense under the 2A every time I enter another's home, or their car, or sit in a public place with them, go shopping, go boating, go to the theatre, etc, etc.

Except where carrying a firearm has been expressly forbidden either by law or by prior notice, I'm not going to leave my gun in my car (where it might get stolen) and walk from my car to wherever I'm going unarmed.

As I said before, respect, something really lacking in the world today.

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I think it shows a lack of respect for your visitors to have a long list of things they have to check at the door.

Its simple around here -- no drugs, no smoking, no drunkenness (not the same as no drinking), please skip the perfume/aftershave because I'm asthmatic rather than as an arbitrary rule about something I disapprove of, and optional shoe removal at the door because some people aren't comfortable barefoot and hospitality dictates that my desire to sweep less often is not as important as their comfort.

I respect my guests enough to not inquire into private matters.

Solo, all I can say is great minds think alike!

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That made my day!
Charged up now and gonna go run 6 miles and try to stay out of trouble.

While I'm good with 4,5, and 6, I live in SC and have no choice about the matter. I have lived and carried in several states prior to this one, and my thoughts were that what they don't know won't hurt me. Here I have had to cut down a good deal on the socializing that I do with co-workers. If it's a neutral location I'm good but I avoid home gatherings. If I wanted everybody at work to know I carry, I'd hang a sign on my back......

You left out an option.

"No, but I feel a little bad about it as though I'm disrespecting them, but at the same time I don't tell them to protect them from any fear that might arise from misconceptions which the mass media has put into their minds."

Also, occasionally I just feel guilty enough that I don't carry into somebody's home if I don't want to tell them.

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Concealing (pun intended) your gun in an anti-gun home will just bring more anti-gun sentiment.
Specifically, how does this work? Does it require the anti-gun homeowner to have a pair of those "x-ray specs" from the back of a comic book

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Very funny. I guess he wouldn't know if you drank his liquor without his permission, either, or maybe brought a little cocaine in your pocket for later.
(I know it's a lousy analogy) He may never know, it's just the ultimate in disrespect to him. I'd much rather you said, "I can't come over without my gun." At least he could say, "Sorry to hear that, we'll miss you."
It's his house !!!!!!!!

I wouldn't bring a bacon cheeseburger into a kosher home.

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Good analogy. Or how about wearing a t-shirt that says Fu*k George Bush, when you're going to see a Republican? It's your 1st amendment right, yes?

Arkansas also requires you to disclose that you are CCW into their house.

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Tom,you are right.How did we miss the Razorbacks?That makes at least 4 states.
I better go back to research school.
There may be another state or two out there with this regulation.

I would not want someone carrying in my home without my knowledge so I extend the same courtesy. If the homeowner does not like it, then leave the weapon locked up or do not go in. JMO

Good analogy. Or how about wearing a t-shirt that says Fu*k George Bush, when you're going to see a Republican? It's your 1st amendment right, yes?

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If you wear that shirt into someone's home he will know it and have the opportunity to be offended

Yes or no?

If you have a concealed weapon on you he will know it and have the opportunity to be offended.

Yes or no.

Some folk are making a really big fuss over nothing of consequence.

Concealed means concealed. I do not discuss it; to me, doing so makes it look as if *I* think it's something to be ashamed of. That gun in my waistband is not going to make anyone sneeze or wheeze or harm them in any way. It stays.

If I know someone bans it, then I respect their wishes. Otherwise it remains concealed.

Springmom

So... should you empty your pockets at the door? Maybe the homeowner has an objection to your being a member of the NRA, GOA, GOP, or Birch society? What about carrying a pack of smokes into a militant anti smoker's home? Should I secure the cigs in my glove box?

What about a knife? What about friends that are accomplished martial artists and could kill you with his hands? How about nailclippers, nail file or large bottles of liquid (banned on commercial aircraft)?

What if you get accosted as you are walking to or from your car? Would you be thinking that it woulda been nice if I were carrying?

I expect all my friends to be carrying when they visit. If I am carrying concealed, I don't advertise it. Tactically, I don't want others to know that I am armed.

If someone asks me to leave because they knew I was carrying, I would gladly comply. I have a CCW permit and I carry legally.

While I would never carry into the house of someone who had asked me not to, I keep the fact that I am armed to myself. Thus, it's never been an issue.
I carry a weapon for my own self-defense purposes. Not to "educate" the public nor as a conversation piece. A long time ago, in the dark days before shall-issue became a reality and states basically never recognized each other's permits even if you had one, I still carried. Never had a problem. Why? See above.

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I wouldn't bring a bacon cheeseburger into a kosher home.
Good analogy. Or how about wearing a t-shirt that says Fu*k George Bush, when you're going to see a Republican? It's your 1st amendment right, yes?

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All those are predicated on my knowing in advance that its inappropriate because the people in question have TOLD me.

If they don't tell me that they have a problem then I am free to assume that its not a problem just as people whom I have not told I am asthmatic can assume that their perfume is not an issue.

Its the people who want to impose restriction who need to be pro-active and TELL potential guests about those restrictions.

A person can set any standards he/she wishes to for conduct in his/her home whether its reasonable or not. But if they want to ban Dale Earnhardt t-shirts, the color blue, or General Motors vehicles from their property its their responsibility to inform people, not my responsibility to ask if its OK to park our Suburban in their driveway.

The way I see it, the gun is safer in my holster tucked under my shirt than it is outside in my car. I think some people I only know through my wife would be a little uncomfortable if I came right out and told them I had a gun on me, but if they are vehemently opposed to having it in their home, they at least know who I am, and have the opportunity to inform me not to bring it in.

Out of sight, out of mind.

The people I visit where I live all know I carry, so its not a problem here.

If I was traveling and stopped to see old friends whom I hadn't seen in a while, would probably leave the gun in the car, unless I had talked to them before hand.

To say it is a matter of respect implies that there is something negative about carrying a gun. If there is nothing negative about carrying, how can it be disrespectful not to inform?

The very essence of carrying concealed, is that no one else knows. If you ask permission it isn't really concealed anymore is it? Obey the laws, yes. Look for ways to reveal you carry, no.

To say it is a matter of respect implies that there is something negative about carrying a gun.

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Yes - exactly! I can't control the negative thoughts in other people's heads. I can only control my own thoughts and behaviors. I do what I believe to be ethical and legal. How others feel about concealed firearms or red boxers isn't my concern unless they specifically inform me of their prejudices and objections.

They don't know I'm wearing red boxers - and they don't know I have a j-frame in my pocket. And since I'm married for 33 years - they're not likely to learn about either.

To say it is a matter of respect implies that there is something negative about carrying a gun. If there is nothing negative about carrying, how can it be disrespectful not to inform?

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I think that you've summed it up perfectly.

It's a legal requirement here in Arkansas. I tell folks the first time and tell them to assume that I'll always be carrying when I'm away from home so if I visit again, I'm carrying. If they have a problem with that, I won't be back.

I can't believe the response. To me, it is the ultimate in disrespect to the homeowner.
I guess your carry permit supersedes his rights in his home? Boy, that's balls.

So... should you empty your pockets at the door?

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When I had my boat, I didn't think twice about telling guests to make sure they didn't have anything illegal in their pockets, because I didn't want my boat seized.

What about carrying a pack of smokes into a militant anti smoker's home?

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Hell, maybe you should light one up, it's legal to smoke in someone's house, right? Nobody's going to tell you what to do.