Most Overrated Rifle?

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10/22 rifles are OK at best out of the box. Sink a wad of money into customizing your 10/22 and I think you will likely find that its still only OK.
 
I'm not the biggest fan of the SCAR, but I have shot one to 5k rounds in two days, with no cleaning, and lube at 2500, with no malfunctions...
 
You guys can bash the Remington M700 all you want but my mind won't change along with many, many, many other riflemen's out there. Most custom gun makers out there that build guns from the action up or action and trigger up prefer and recommend starting with the M700 action. I wonder why? Also, many a sniper in the USMC and Army that were given their option of what action to use have most definitely chosen the M700 over time.

Another point to bring up is that if you throw a price tag in on all of this as well, most hunters can afford the M700 whereas alot of these other rifles are so high priced that they have to sell their sons and daughters just to think about buying them.

And back to the issue of my friends accident, I have heard of several rifles over the past 20 to 30 years that similar accidents have happened to and either sent hunters to the hospital or the morgue because lugs have not held or the total actions have just been blown all to hell and back. The M700 normally is not the guns in question on those instances.

I guess we can argue all year long on this issue but there will most definitely be guys on both sides of the fence clear to the end. Thanks for at least entertaining my ideas on this board!
 
AR-15 wins this hands down. I'm not saying the AR is a bad gun. It's just not the excellent weapon which so many people think it is. And most of the M-16 foreign use that it's gotten has been due to U.S. dumping of the things to nations who didn't have their own infrastructure, or who simply said "Sure, we'll take something to put into arsenals for a rainy day."

I also argue that the G-3 is superior to the FAL, and that the FAL is overrated.

Though I am talking about EBR type weapons only.
 
Also, many a sniper in the USMC and Army that were given their option of what action to use have most definitely chosen the M700 over time.
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as if they have a choice, using the military's use of the rem 700 isn't a very good argument. Sniper rifles chosen according to the lowest bidder:neener: yee haw!

So what solders get to choose their issue weapon now?:rolleyes: Since when? Make mine an Accuracy International please

oh and I'll ditch the M9 in favor of a glock 18 please

humvee's are so overrated go ahead and give me a unimog please Mr Uncle Sam:rolleyes:

Sorry I've owned some Remingtons but I didn't drink the green kool-aid
 
taprackbang
Oh yeah? I thought that there were some men on this forum. Complaining about your shoulder? There are many rifles that recoil..(300 WM, 7mmRM)
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I guess in your opinion I ain't a man!!!!! I have other Battle rifles in .308/7.62
that recoil a hell of alot less than the H&K. My FN FAL and Springfield M1A don't beat me up like the H&K did. Heck My Sako TRG in .338 Lapua doesn't feel anything like that H&K did with that retractable stock. :scrutiny:
 
my overrated rifles would be Steyr scout, $1k+ ARs, M1As, Any HK long gun, Kimbers and ruger bolt guns.
BTW, I would hardly call the mini-14 OVERRATED alittle overpriced maybe but hardly overrated.
 
It's annoying when people bring up the lowest bidder argument when it comes to military arms. There are still guidelines and specifications that have to be met. It's not like they take a 700 sps and call it an m24. So isn't it a good quality to be able to meet specifications and do so without costing a fortune?
 
It's not like they take a 700 sps and call it an m24.
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no they take the same SPS action slap on a mil spec bbl a nicer stock, jack the price up $3000 and call it a m24 but at heart it's still bubba's SPS

And No snipers don't get to choose their weapons system
 
I dont believe you said the >64 M70 Winchester? Are you on CRACK!! what more can you ask for in a rifle. hugeariffic Mauser Claw type extractor, Smooth as glass action that locks up tighter than Ft.Knox Made from Superior Steel. Or did you just never have one??? I really don't get it. Yea no rifle will make you SuperShotSteve, able to pick off steel 10"x10"' on the surface of the moon. Why do you think it is a overrated rifle, I really want to hear this???
 
no they take the same SPS action slap on a mil spec bbl a nicer stock, jack the price up $3000 and call it a m24 but at heart it's still bubba's SPS
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Don't they use a different trigger group, true the action, add a side bolt release, and do all sorts of other things? I thought they changed the recoil lug too?

I know the military won't provide the gun of their choice, and never said they could pick their own gun, but some do. Some use their own personal rifles.
 
I would not second guess the M24. It is not just slapped together. It is built from scratch and everything about the rifle is blueprinted. I live just a few miles from Ft.Benning where they build them. If you knew what went into those fine pieces of craftmanship you would not be saing what you said.
 
During my 28 years of Military and Cop adventures, I always thought that the HK MP5 series of sub guns were hugely over rated. They must have had a hell of a marketing team. They are overly complicated and overly tight. Every old plain-Jane UZI or Sterling I have ever fired would shoot just as well and for a lot longer.
 
5. Kimber Rifles. You can't sling a dead cat on the internet without hitting a thread started by some poor b@###%d who has just dented his kids college fund for one and can't get it to keep three shots on a cantaloupe at 100 yards. Wanna see a facial expression that exudes the phrase "Red Ass". Watch a guy at the range with a brand new Kimber getting his ass smoked by another guy with a 200 dollar Mossberg.
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:D :D

taprackbang
Oh yeah? I thought that there were some men on this forum. Complaining about your shoulder? There are many rifles that recoil.
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Oh brother.... :rolleyes:
 
It's just not the excellent weapon which so many people think it is. And most of the M-16 foreign use that it's gotten has been due to U.S. dumping of the things to nations who didn't have their own infrastructure, or who simply said "Sure, we'll take something to put into arsenals for a rainy day."
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This lower bidder/resale argument has been beaten to death many times over. Need i continue?

I dont believe you said the >64 M70 Winchester? Are you on CRACK!! what more can you ask for in a rifle. hugeariffic Mauser Claw type extractor, Smooth as glass action that locks up tighter than Ft.Knox Made from Superior Steel. Or did you just never have one??? I really don't get it. Yea no rifle will make you SuperShotSteve, able to pick off steel 10"x10"' on the surface of the moon. Why do you think it is a overrated rifle, I really want to hear this???
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Let me ask you a question. How is that Mauser claw going to help you when you are just shooting targets? Wow, okay, yeah it has a solid and smooth action, as does a Rem 700. Yeah, good trigger, i can get that from a Remington as well. So tell me, why should i spend hundreds more on a m70 when i can a remington 700 for leagues cheaper? Maybe if i was in a situation where that mauser claw would benefit me your argument would have merit, but for shooting targets? Are you serious? Many other rifles will give me accuracy, a good trigger, and a solid action for cheaper than what pre-64 m70s are going for.
 
The 1917 is the worse I've ever encountered in MilSurp. It's now priced
for collectors who want to fill a missing rack spot, otherwise I can't think
of a good thing about it. OK, better sights than a K98.

The M70 is a legend rifle based on Mauser 98 design, good rifle
pre 64, but now wildly overpriced

I believe the least valuable rifles of late are any new out of the box
.7 MOA (used to be 1 MOA) centerfire bolt actions that are invariably
compared on this forum to the Rem 700. For a while it was the Savage
pop outs, now I notice it's the T3.
 
Might be flawless if you clean it, but any gun you have to clean for it to work up to it's perfection is a bad military gun.
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This is 1] an example of opponents overrating the rifle, and

b) stupid, pardon the term. ALL military equipment requires regular, sometimes DAILY maintenance, especially over here in the Sandbox. A dry-lubed AR works almost flawlessly because the direct gas system blows the dust out of the weapon with every shot. If you load it with oil, it will mud up and jam.

I've put 2000 rounds, most of them Wolf, through my home AR in the last two years with no cleaning. No malfunctions. No malfunctions on active duty on a training exercise where I ran 1000 filthy blanks through the beast in a couple of hours to "make noise."

The AR is not a sniper rifle, not a battle rifle, not indestructible.

And waaay back, someone posted about "run a vehicle over" several weapons...why would you do that? And it's not normal wear and tear, nor even a problem I worry about, and I guarantee the vaunted Garand will be a piece of scrap metal if you run a vehicle over it. Textbook example of overrating.

I remember the M60 as overrated by the adoption committee...it's nicknamed the "pig" for a reason---waaay too heavy for a squad weapon.

Let's add all .50 BMGs, due to the prevalent belief that a near miss will kill:)

And .308s, for the prevalent myth that a shot to the forearm will rip the arm off at the shoulder (I hear both of these online).

And let's add that "turns cover to concealment" BS about the magic, uber.308 that shoots through tanks.

Any new additions to the list? We seem to have found some favorites and some repetition. What about the KelTec, the Ruger .44 carbine or something else?

And thanks for mentioning the Steyr Scout. A great $400 rifle. Pity it costs how many thousands?
 
I think many of you are confusing overrated with overpriced. The Pre64 M70 Has better features than a M700 out of the box.
 
I'll be labeled a blasphemous a**hole, but the AR15 is probably near the top of that list as well as the Colt 1911.

Both can be fine, quality guns, but they are way over-priced and over-hyped. They fill they niches well, but the cost...OMG.

But for "over-rated" the 1911 is really where it is at. If 7+1 rounds of .45 in a $1000 gun that is SAO and touted as a CWP item is not "over-rated", I'm not sure what is.

Jason
 
AR-15 wins this hands down.
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I also argue that the G-3 is superior to the FAL, and that the FAL is overrated.
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Amen and Amen. BUT I would love to shoot a DSA FAL.

I want to include the Mini 14. Mine was fun to shoot, but rarely fed correctly.
I think that overall between everyone, seems that the M16/M4/AR 15 wins.
 
I'd like to jump on the bandwagon and say the AR. Nice target/varmint rifle but too fragile and dirt sensitive to be a reliable combat weapon.
 
But for "over-rated" the 1911 is really where it is at. If 7+1 rounds of .45 in a $1000 gun that is SAO and touted as a CWP item is not "over-rated", I'm not sure what is.
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7 + 1 is plenty unless you plan missing your target a lot. If you feel the need for more capacity, there are always the CMC 10 round power mags. They work great, and the rubber base pad only sticks out of the grip about an inch. Not a good choice for CCW, but fine for open carry.

What you consider a detriment in SAO operation, many would consider an asset.
 
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