Oh No! Another Open Carry Story.....

haha. /fail

good job

I don't see any reason to sue. I think I would file a *criminal* complaint against the deputy. That's the only way to get their attention. How many felonies did he commit? (I think the FBI is the agency that handles matters like this)

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Depends upon where you live. In Chicago, virtually the ONLY way to address even the most horrific crimes by on-duty police is civil suit. When a cop gets a ***thirty day suspension*** for shooting an unarmed, unresisting (and neither under arrest nor detention) man in the head without provocation while standing under several video cameras then lying about it, what do you think a "criminal complaint" is worth? The officer in question has NEVER been charged with ANY crime. He and the city have lost their behinds in a $12.5 million civil judgement. The victim is of course still dead...

I'm often surprised how uninformed some LE officers are about the law.

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Heck, I had to correct an attorney this morning who had no idea that machine guns were legal for the public to own in the US.

Put yourself in their shoes though. They know that even though it's legal, they try to convince everyone it isn't and so how can you blame the typical guy or girl on the street (who knows nothing about carrying a gun) when they freak out and call the police when they see a civilian on the street brandishing a weapon? If you keep doing this, the cops may be called several times each week because you are out there showing a weapon.

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Open carry in a holster isn't "brandishing" nor is it "showing".

Cops ARE civilians.

The Cop should determine if anything illegal is happening or has happened. If not, the fellow or lady open carrying the firearm should be LEFT ALONE! The complainant should be warned about making calls for the police when there is no genuine reason for it.

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people carried concealed to suprise the footpads in the cites.in the west it was open carry.and city people had pockets,outdoor people pockets were tighter.
the thing I notice in a lot of post every where is the number of gun owners who fear the police.you must educate the police that they are the citizens servants.not in a dorogatory way.but as civil servants.
true story: in Conn a test was held for applicants to the police and this one applicant was turned down because he got a 90 on the test.he was over qualified he was told and they only hired applicants that got 60%.if that is true allover does that tell you something.

Wyatt Earp carried concealed, why won't you? John Wesley Hardin preferred concealed carry because it was prudent. It reality you are not going to arrest abyone ever, defend a stranger or join the police in fighting off hoards of criminals or bank robbers. Chances are good the terrorists of the world won't decend on you while you are sitting in a parking lot playing with a rat.

I agree it is your right to open carry in most states, I just do not think it is the smart thing to do. More often than not, concealed carry is a better choice.

Similar situation happened to my friend here in VA a couple weeks ago. Deputies insisted it was a bad idea to OC inside Denny's due to it being a "family restaurant" and would incite phone calls to the PD.

Frankly I'm getting tired of PO's soliciting their opinions rather than enforcing the actual law.

Maybe if you flashed your CCW badge they would have left you alone!

bhrhodes:

I HIGHLY encourage you to contact your State Police IMMEDIATELY. File formal charges under your applicable State's law for the following charges:

Unlawful Imprisonment
Intimidation/Harassment at the Felony level
Aggravated Assault/First Degree Assault/Assault with a Deadly Weapon
Brandishing a Firearm

at the very least.

That officer has apparently committed multiple felony offenses. He should have been arrested and charged, and should be suspended pending the completion of the formal investigation.

(And this kind of guy is what gives us a bad name. Grrrrrrr!)

lonegunman said:

I agree it is your right to open carry in most states, I just do not think it is the smart thing to do. More often than not, concealed carry is a better choice.

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Well then stick with your choice. A lot of us choose otherwise, and we don't need net nannies telling us we are wrong just because they say so.

^ +1 to the above ^



I agree w/ mak

They just didnt like it!

Glad you stood your ground and they didnt slam you down and taze you etc;

Id still file a complaint though for posterity

I choose not to OC. Speaking for myself, it makes me feel that I have to show everyone that I have a gun, you know, big shot, a show off, full of himself. It draws more attention than I want. My firearm is my business, not everyone else's. My motto is "out of sight, out of mind". What people don't see on me is just fine. I don't like showing my trump card. If I ever need it, I know it's there and they don't. The joke is on them. Again, that's just me. I have absolutely nothing against anyone who wants to OC. That's their choice.

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I agree it is your right to open carry in most states, I just do not think it is the smart thing to do. More often than not, concealed carry is a better choice.

Well then stick with your choice. A lot of us choose otherwise, and we don't need net nannies telling us we are wrong just because they say so.


You are more than welcome to flash your trusty CCW badge and search the Denny's parking lot for terrorists. I never said you were wrong, I said it was not a smart thing to do most of the time.

The Star Wars geeks can carry light sabers and protect us from Darth Vader. The Trekkies have phazers for those pesky Klingons. Heck we even have some goth kids out there living like vampires. If you need to flash a gun everywhere you go in case Jesse James and the boys try and jump you, go right ahead.


I support your right to be a defender of whatever it is you are defending us from.

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I support your right to be a defender of whatever it is you are defending us from.

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I'm not defending you from anything. And please, spare me the hogwash about how you support my right to OC. You just got done saying - twice - that you don't think it is a good idea. That is hardly defending the right.

I agree it is your right to open carry in most states, I just do not think it is the smart thing to do. More often than not, concealed carry is a better choice.

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Maybe for you, but not for everyone! BTW your attitude is part of the problem. YOU don't like it so it MUST be wrong. Heaven forbid someone out here exercise their rights in a way that YOU see as unseemly!

Sad that so many on here can't live and Let live, all of us should be allowed to exercise our rights, within the law, as we see fit!

Actually, I never said I was defending your right to anything.

I said that if it were legal where you lived and you chose to open carry then good for you. It would not be something I (as in me personally) would choose to do normally.

You may feel the need to carry a gun on your hip while petting a rat in a doctor's office parking lot or maybe you need to carry a gun while eating Denny's food.

If you had the shiny CCW badge or maybe a cool "bounty hunter" T-shirt like "Dog the bounty hunter" that would really set the whole outfit off nicely.

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Wyatt Earp carried concealed, why won't you? John Wesley Hardin preferred concealed carry because it was prudent. It reality you are not going to arrest abyone ever, defend a stranger or join the police in fighting off hoards of criminals or bank robbers. Chances are good the terrorists of the world won't decend on you while you are sitting in a parking lot playing with a rat.

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You are more than welcome to flash your trusty CCW badge and search the Denny's parking lot for terrorists. I never said you were wrong, I said it was not a smart thing to do most of the time.

The Star Wars geeks can carry light sabers and protect us from Darth Vader. The Trekkies have phazers for those pesky Klingons. Heck we even have some goth kids out there living like vampires. If you need to flash a gun everywhere you go in case Jesse James and the boys try and jump you, go right ahead.


I support your right to be a defender of whatever it is you are defending us from.

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<Sigh>
I carry for the same reasons you might carry concealed. Just because I don't always feel like wearing an IWB holster or having my shirt untucked doesn't mean that I'm trying to be a badass mall-ninja superhero cowboy.

I just like to be comfortable and sometimes I like carrying a sidearm that doesn't lend itself to concealment.

Mak....carrying a gun in a holster is NOT brandishing a weapon....get it right!

Lonegunman-Jahwarrior was discussing his encounter with the police-the fact that they tried to discourage him from doing something that is perfectly legal because they don't like it.
I never heard him ask for any one elses opinions about open carry. I myself choose to carry concealed but I do believe he should be able to open carry without harrassment. Besides I didn't hear anyone ask a question about whether concealed carry or open carry was a better option. Why are you so annoyed about what he does anyway?

Lonegunman....your comments are neither High Road, nor correct....you are an ass.

The great majority of "open carry drama" stories posted here and pretty much every other place on the internet have a theme. As we speak there are at least three "OC drama" stories floating around this place.

They all start with a person carrying in a place that it would be unusual to find a random person carrying a gun. The person is then getting questioned by local law enforcement and feels put upon, upset, violated or denied in some way.

To no one's suprise, the OC supporter is stopped and questioned by an LEO. He/she is offended at the prospect of being questioned and tries to engage the officer is some unwanted discourse on why he/she has every right to wander the streets with a gun in plain sight.

The OC supporter professes to know the law better than the LEO in question and has never thought to carry a copy of whatever local or state ordnance supports their position. Why would this be handy? Most LEO's do not know every one of the thousands of laws they are charged with enforcing by heart and this is a good way to get them informed. This is a better way than the OC supporter whining about his/her god given rights to open carry in Denny's.

In the end, the OC supporter runs home to post the latest drama on the internet.

Well, for the 99,999 people out of 100,000 who do not carry open this is a great big, "oh geez not this crap again." The rest of the world expects the LEO to at least ask why a man wearing a gun and petting a rat is hanging out in the parking lot. The 19th century has come and gone and a guy carrying a gun openly in an urban area is not very common.

Crime in this country is at an all time low or close to it. The instances of women being attacked at their kids soccer games and of men being attacked while taking their kids to see the doctor are probably at an all time low as well. On the other hand, the instances of crazed men/women walking into a church, mall, store or school and shooting people for no earthly reason are occuring someplace in America every week.

If the instances of someone "legally" openly carrying a firearm in an urban area are not much higher than instances of someone engaging in criminal behavior with a firearm in an urban area, why would you expect the cops to ignore you?

They are paid to question the unusual and cursed, damned, sued and belittle if they miss even a single instance of criminal behavior by the media, victims and naysayers everywhere.

If you engage in behavior that is out of the ordinary, expect to be questioned by the people you pay to monitor society for out of the ordinary behavior.

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The OC supporter professes to know the law better than the LEO in question and has never thought to carry a copy of whatever local or state ordnance supports their position. Why would this be handy? Most LEO's do not know every one of the thousands of laws they are charged with enforcing by heart and this is a good way to get them informed. This is a better way than the OC supporter whining about his/her god given rights to open carry in Denny's.

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Do you carry around a copy of the statute that supports your right to blink? Why not?

FYI, not everywhere is open carry is as unusual as you think. It's never caused me any problems and I admire the folks who are working in other areas to establish the same atmosphere of tolerance.