Thousands sign petition to make Texas an open-carry state

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Thousands sign petition to make Texas an open-carry state


By ANNA M. TINSLEY
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If Duane Suddeth had his way, he could strap on a handgun and wear it — anytime, anywhere — without concealing it.

That day has not come in Texas, but the 42-year-old Bedford man is among thousands hoping it is on its way.

"This is the public’s right," Suddeth said. "Whether they choose to exercise that or not is up to them."

Texas, despite its independence and frontier reputation, is one of only six states where handguns cannot — in some form — legally be worn in plain view.

Suddeth is among a group of residents wanting to change that who have joined a growing nationwide "open-carry" movement.

Some say it harks back to constitutional rights and frontier days when settlers carried their weapons where everyone could see them.

"It was considered part of everyday life back then," said John Pierce, co-founder of www.OpenCarry.org, a champion of the effort. "The concealed-carry part was what was looked at with disdain."

In Texas, where residents may carry concealed handguns if they have a permit, more than 3,500 people have signed an online petition asking Gov. Rick Perry and the Legislature to make Texas an open-carry state.

"Cowboys and Indians, and the Alamo — and many just assumed that Texas was an open-carry state," wrote Gary Williams, one of many Texans advocating for gun law change. "Clearly, there are some changes that need to be made."

Gun safety advocates aren’t so sure.

"What are they trying to do? Go back to Texas gunslinger days?" asked Richard Leal, a board member of the Houston-based Texans for Gun Safety. "Things are bad enough as it is, with people 18 and older being authorized to carry guns."

The open-carry effort

Many states such as Texas do have concealed handgun rules and permits in place.

But many also have open-carry rules, unlike Texas, along with New York, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina and Washington, D.C., according to OpenCarry.org.

Dozens of states either issue licenses for open carry or allow the practice without any license, according to the Web site.

"The concealed-carry movement that swept the country in past decades has been a great benefit to law-abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves in an uncertain world," Pierce said. "But we are trying to re-educate people that open carry is . . . a basic gun right."

The Texas Citizens Defense League, of which Williams and Suddeth are members, is trying to get the word out.

Part of that is the petition that asks that all people who may legally buy a handgun also be allowed to carry it openly, except in places prohibited by law.

"I can’t count the times I have been in some discussion about open carry in some Northern state . . . and somebody says, 'Hey, this is not . . . Texas,’ " said Mike Stollenwerk, co-founder of OpenCarry.org.

"And I respond, 'Thankfully you are correct, as open carry is banned in Texas.’ "

Texas reaction

Any change to the law would come from the Texas Legislature, which is why the petition is to lawmakers and Perry.

The issue is not on the governor’s plate yet, a spokeswoman said.

"The governor is very supportive of conceal and carry laws," said Kristi Piferrer, a Perry spokeswoman. "Expanding that to open carry probably will take a lot of public deliberation and legislative guidance."

Some law enforcers say they would be leery of an open-carry policy in Texas.

"I really think it would cause a lot of uneasiness in the community, with people seeing so many guns," Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon said. "It could create more problems than it would solve."

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, who as a state senator helped make concealed-carry law in 1995, said he doesn’t believe that open carry would create any problems.

While he never considered proposing an open-carry measure, Patterson said he has seen the practice in Arizona.

"I went into the bank, and a guy walked in with a .45 in his back pocket," he said. "I thought, 'Well, that’s unusual.’ "

"You never know"

Suddeth, an IT professional who does some travel for work, said he would like to openly carry a loaded handgun. In the past year, Suddeth said there was an elderly woman attacked, cars broken into, a home broken into and several assaults in his Bedford neighborhood.

"You never know when crime is going to happen," he said. "I think eventually we will see open carry in Texas.

"Eventually, it will happen."

Online: www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition.html

Open-carry states Texas is one of six states that either do not allow or highly restrict the open carrying of handguns in public. The others are New York, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina, as well as Washington, D.C., according to OpenCarry.org.

More than a dozen states require a license for open carry, from Utah to Mississippi to Massachusetts. Eleven more, from Vermont to Arizona, allow it but don’t require licenses. Still more generally permit it but offer various restrictions. And two states, California and Illinois, allow loaded handguns to be carried in rural areas, according to the Web site.

"OpenCarry.org believes that 'a right unexercised is a right lost,’ and increasingly gun owners are agreeing," according to the Web site. "It’s time gun carry comes out of the closet in America."

Source: www.OpenCarry.org
 
Web petitions are highly valuable. The sponsor of the petition now has a list of about 7,000 people who support gun rights.

Compare that to TSRA, which does not have a copy of the list.
 
Compare that to TSRA, which does not have a copy of the list.

Point 1: If you are a member of TSRA (You are? Aren't you? :scrutiny:) then the have your name that is verified as well as a verified mailing address.

Point 2: There is no verification for information given in an online petition; which is why they are frequently ignored even when the signatures reach ungodly numbers.

Point 3: I have, at present, at least 10 emails at my disposal and can crank out a signature for each one on that petition. I can also get into my work email server and make a bunch of valid emails that would all be ME signing the petition. People know that and routinely disregard online petitions for that very fact. I realize that point 3 just underscores point 2, but it’s such an important fact that it needed to be stressed.

Online petitions are a nice cathartic way to feel like you’ve done something. And in so far as they are coupled with real efforts to get people into action, they are ok. If you look at them as simple advertising, and not actions in and of themselves, then they may be useful.


Edit: also note the parameters default to “private” on the email address. The sponsor never sees those addresses.
 
Don't these thousands of people realize that they are effectively losing their "stealth" and "surprize" advantages?

*snickers*

On a serious note, this is a good effort. Get a large petition, in addition to writing every representative and things will change.
 
"I really think it would cause a lot of uneasiness in the community, with people seeing so many guns," Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon said. "It could create more problems than it would solve."
The same used to be said about "negros." Bigotry then; bigotry now.
 
Now Henry…

You know darn well it was all those guns that affected our collective brains back then. Now that we strive to be more civilized, we see the cause and effect. Guns = hate. It was was the iron and wood that made us bigots.

If we can just get guns out of society then it’ll all be candy canes and sunshine. A world without guns gives a world without fear. :barf:

EDIT: I hurt my brian dumbing it down that much.
 
"I really think it would cause a lot of uneasiness in the community, with people seeing so many guns," Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon said. "It could create more problems than it would solve."

Yeah, like all the shootouts we have on Main Street in Montana :rolleyes:

All the same arguments were carted out regarding CCW.
 
What a stinkin' pissant!

"I really think it would cause a lot of uneasiness in the community, with people seeing so many guns," Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon said. "It could create more problems than it would solve."

This idiot constable is a media mouthpiece in the DFW area for "law enforecement who don't believe citizens should carry guns." He's been quoted several times in previous stories regarding "citizens not being as well-trained as law enforcement in the use and proficiency of firearms."

First time I read one of his quotes, I sent his office a letter, certified return-receipt, and gave him my $1000 Shooting Match Challenge. I'm just a civilian and he's a "trained law enforcement professional," so he can choose the course of fire, choose the weapons, name the place, time and date and I'll be there. We'll have a match. Loser pays winner $1000.

It's the standard offer/challenge I make to any anti-gun law enforcement type that I hear spouting off their BS about how "civilians aren't as well trained and proficient with firearms as trained law enforcement professionals."

The Constable declined my offer, saying "it would be gambling and that would not be appropriate." Wimp.

When the new Chief of Police in my suburb came out against concealed carry in the local rag, saying it should be repealed, I offered him $10,000 if he could best me in a match, and if (when) I won, I'd even waive the $1000 in return for him retracting his statement and stating that he was wrong and that a mere "civilian who isn't a trained law enforcement professional" bested him.

The chief pissant didn't want any part of it. One of his loudmouth "SWAT" officers took me up on the $1000 Challenge. He's still paying off his debt, $50 a month.

I detest elitist anti-gun cops. And I have about as much use for Constables (aka: process servers) as I do nosebleeds, red-light cameras and professional politicians.

Be interesting to see where this goes in Texas.

Personally, I think we can do it.

Jeff
 
I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize we were one of only six. Ouch.

Yes,waterhouse.Sadly,besides Texas,Arkansas,Florida,New York,Oklahoma and South Carolina are the only states that officially ban OC.
Of course ,there are many others like New Jersey and Hawaii, where it is realistically impossible and will mean a paddy wagon trip to the nearest lockup.
There is a very short list of states where you can OC and not have to constantly worry about the legal ramifications.
This site can be a helpful guide if you are traveling and are so inclined:

http://www.opencarry.org

And TexasSkyhawk,that was a beautiful rant.Don't let up on those fools.:D
 
TexasSkyhawk said:
It's the standard offer/challenge I make to any anti-gun law enforcement type that I hear spouting off their BS about how "civilians aren't as well trained and proficient with firearms as trained law enforcement professionals."
Now that's doing something about it! Suggestion - make sure the press are aware of your challenge - kinda twist the blade a little :D
 
Open Carry and Conceal Carry should be available and LEGAL to ALL citizens and/or LEGAL immigrants. If you are legal and SAFE enough to be OUT and walk the streets of wherever... you should be allowed to pack a gun anyway that your little heart desires.

WHY should 'we the people' or any state have to BEG or ask for ANY RKBA issue? Geesh. Golly, gee whiz, someone may actually see a gun openly carried by a free man or free woman... well what the heck is going on here now? (Sarcastic remark for those that might not 'get it'!) Double geesh.

Go back to your slave, peon or serf mentality for those that oppose OPEN CARRY or conceal carry or ANY type of carry!

GOOD LUCK, Texas people, land of the free (Sort of 'free'!) and home of the brave ones who want this!

Bigotry, stupidity, unConstitutional and other FILL in the blank 'words' could be applied here but may get TOO 'political'.

I have not seen any wild west shoot outs here in Montana due to open carry, gasp, worse off conceal carry! My firearms did not jump out of my Uncle Mike's shoulder holster or Triple K leather belt/holsters and 'attack someone' because they don't have FREE WILL or a pulse of their own. That is because they are OBJECTS not a living/breathing thing like a human being or a dog. It takes a well trained monkey or a person to defend a life or squeeze the trigger. It takes a perp aka criminal to do a dirty deed to a VICTIM - NO matter how that perp wants to do the dirty deed with FULL INTENT too.

Catherine - A FREE WOMAN
Armed and Female - An open carry lady.
 
If you are legal and SAFE enough to be OUT and walk the streets of wherever

ugh... do you want the prison population to go up atleast 10x nation wide?

How many AD/ ND threads have thier been on THR? should all those people be locked up?

I have a client that is a cardiac surgeon, one of the best in the US, If I was to go under the knife I would trust him with my life, but I would not trust him with a skrew driver to fix something. I not sure I would trust him with a gun, lets just say I don't, should we lock him up?
 
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If you are legal and SAFE enough to be OUT and walk the streets of wherever
ugh... do you want the prison population to go up atleast 10x nation wide?

How many AD/ ND threads have thier been on THR? should all those people be locked up?

I have a client that is a cardiac surgeon, one of the best in the US, If I was to go under the knife I would trust him with my life, but I would not trust him with a skrew driver to fix something. I not sure I would trust him with a gun, lets just say I don't, should we lock him up?
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Tab,

I don't understand your post.

NO offense.

I did NOT advocate locking someone UP. HUH?

IF you are not in jail or in an insane asylum and FREE to be 'on the streets' as a legal citizen or a legal immigrant = you should be able to pack heat in MY not so humble opinion.

I can't write more because the MODERATORS will LOCK this up - I have had this happen HERE.

If I open a gun/political board where OTHER and ALL subjects can be discussed FREELY... you are welcome to post there.

OFF topic and, no offense, but I do not understand your statement.

Catherine
 
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