Canada and Switzerland's Gun Culture Compared

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An interesting analysis of the 2 cultures.

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/10/lemieux-of-swit.html

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Monday, October 06, 2008
Lemieux: Of Switzerland and Canada
In this week's column, Pierre Lemieux compares Switzerland and Canada. Lemieux was recently invited to Switzerland to give a talk on "the right to keep and bear arms." After his talk, his hosts gifted him with a Schmidt Rubin M-1931 7.5 mm carbine, the rifle the Swiss army used during World War II.

In his column, Lemieux describes Switzerland's revolutionary tradition and suggests this is why the right to bear arms is taken more seriously in that country than it is in Canada. Canada, he argues, "totally lacks a military culture." In addition, "Canadians... have been too nice, smiling, and trustful of authority." According to Lemieux, these two factors together explain why Canadians have allowed their government to take away more and more of their liberties.

As he notes, in Canada, no one could have spontaneously given him the Schmidt Rubin rifle as a gift (and I'm not sure I even want to know the hassle he endured getting his prize back into Canada.)

Lemieux's thesis is an interesting one. We know that the United States, like Switzerland, has a revolutionary tradition. For the most part, mainstream American politicians have had to give up their quest of taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding American citizens. Even Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama had to admit that there is an individual right to bear arms -- though his idea of what "common sense" regulation involves is not entirely clear.

D.C. v. Heller, a recent U.S. Supreme Court case, affirmed that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This prohibits any jurisdiction from enacting an all-out ban on handguns, for example. The state has a long way to go in the U.S. before it will be able to stop Americans from owning guns, if it will ever be in a position to do so at all.

In Canada, matters are somewhat different. Aside from the national gun registry and other existing regulations on firearms, in 2006, the Liberal Party campaigned on a promise to amend the criminal code to allow provinces and municipalities to ban hand guns. At the site of a school shooting, Stephane Dion recently promised to ban "military assault weapons." Whether this legislation is necessary is beside the point (AK-47s and the like are already banned, so it is unclear which additional kinds of firearms Dion plans to take out of people's hands if he's elected.)

According to Lemieux's thesis, Canadians don't have the revolutionary history necessary to make them more resistant to a further abridgement of the right to bear arms. Canadians are unwilling to think that they might need the weapons the government is taking away -- not only to defend themselves against criminals, but from the government itself.

In contrast, in both Switzerland and the United States, citizens are still prepared to fight their government if necessary to preserve their liberty.

Lemieux's column can be read in its entirety here.
 
It makes sense to me. They were subjects for so long, then were given their citizen status. I guess never having to fight for their freedom leaves them with no collective cultural consciousness, or tradition. Same reason most of our UN buddies don't get us violent Americans. If freedoms come cheaply, it doesn't seem to hurt to give up little bits of it here and there.
 
Lemieux came to Switzerland a week ago. He had a dinner with a member of our forum. a picture of this event.
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I don't know if i would have to fight an ennemy from outside or from inside my country, but guns are ready..just in case--
 
Back in college

I did a 2 1/2 week tour of western Europe, and Switzerland was the best stop hands down. Great food, great scenery, great people, great weather! Austria came in 2nd, then Germany, then the U.K., then Italy, then Luxembourg, and in last place, France! The Louvre was great, but the rest of that country sucked balls!
 
If revolution were the prerequisite to liberal gun ownership

Then you would expect Mexico to be a paragon of gun culture. Switzerland has been staving off foreign takeovers since they drove the Austrians out hundreds of years ago. Since then No country has really tried although Napoleon and Hitler both wanted to.
 
I don't think it is just the revolution, but the results of the revolution and how that is incorporated into the 'National Legend'.

Mexico has had their more than fair share of revolutions. And for the most part the main achievement has been a new name on the el Presidente door. Revolutions, without substantial change to the peons' life, don't really lend themselves to the creation of heroic national legend.

The Swiss drove out the Austrians, and their legend became one of every citizen a soldier. I only know the Americanized version of the Swiss, but in that, their tradition of arms, seems to be more of repelling foreign invaders then holding their government accountable to the people.(not that it doesn't have that affect as a side benefit)

In the US, we didn't fight a foreign invader, we fought our own government. The US was English. we didn't fight a foreign oppressor, we fought against being oppressed by our own government. If the Crown had treated the Colonies as the Englishmen the felt they were, we may be reading a completely different history today. Our legend became one of armed citizens(with privately owned firearms), fighting their own government, to regain rights they felt the government was trampling on.

The Canadians didn't revolt against anyone. The English got tired of them, and their way to colorful currency, and just cast them out of the Empire. Canada has no real national legend of armed resistance to anyone.:neener:
 
Let us not forget also that there was the whole 'Frontier' experience where hardy folk lived by way of the gun and the way of the gun alone till territoriese became territories, then states, and such. A lot of folks seeking wealth and a way of life better than living in the cities (the City of Amarillo as violent as history says it was, was in reality still a great deal safer than the city of New York in compare even in the proportionate scale). Plus there was the whole Texan rebellion followed by the Mexican American war where Texas Rangers (generally volunteer frontiersmen) played a big role outside the major battles (and we got the Colt Walker out of it which probably saved the infamous Colt revolver from disappearing into history as some have said), then there's the Indian fighting (my ancestorial Lakota and such) which when the cavalry wasn't picking a fight, folks on their on their own homesteads away from civilization were having to fend off raiding parties. Then there's the hunting aspects because not all too long there was large amount of folk who were little more than poor sharecroppers who indispensibly supplemented their ability to eat by hunting i.e. turkey, coon, deer, and other fowl game.

Guns and gunsmen(and gunswomen at times) forged this great nation well beyond the Revolutionary War. Don't forget Audie Murphy, Sgt. Alvin York, and so on. Also remember it was an Irishmen at the battle of a Saratoga, a sniper, killed the British General and gave ol' Nathaniel Greene the chance to turn the battle around. And another Irish remark, as one Confederate said to a Yankee after Lee signed "You had more Irish than us!"
 
Canadians really, really need to organize and start to get their rights back. Englanders regret their lack of gumpshun while their government was systematically taking their rights away. Now they are trying to get those rights back but it is much harder to get them back than to defend them in the first place.

Barak Hussien Obama thinks that the idea of "gun rights" is so people can hunt with single-shots (shotguns & rifles) and, oh, some people might want to join shooting clubs but their guns all need to be registered. :fire: He wants ALL handguns taken out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. :neener: He & Nancy Peloci want absolutely no guns in citizens' hands but will grant most people the O.K. (not right) :eek: to own a gun or two if they pay to have it registered, ballistically I.D.d and fitted with a firing pin micro-stamper. Then the owner will have to pay for all of the above plus the cost of being finger-printed, given a sight test and firearms training. I think the average, law-abiding person should be able to get a single-shot .22LR for about $1000 (not including the cost of ammo or the gun). :cuss:

The Right To Keep & Bear Arms is for defense against a tyrannical gov't, NOT for hunting, target practice or skeet shooting!!!
 
The Right To Keep & Bear Arms is for defense against a tyrannical gov't, NOT for hunting, target practice or skeet shooting!!!

OK... But that really doesn't address the cultural differences this thread is exploring.
 
I can't compare the Canadians and the Swiss. The Canadians have lost their British/French soul to outsiders due to their lax immigration laws. The Swiss forever have the argument of whether they should allow "foreigners" in or not.
 
Being in Switzerland they take their shooting seriously because of defending their little nation. I seen their troops carry their issued weapons on their backs and in uniform through the train stations to and from their training areas and home.
 
i pray fervently that the Swiss will continue to fight the erosion of their long-cherished rights.

i pray fervently that we in the U.S. will continue to do the same.

rösti and guns. yum. :D
 
The other historical event that made the U.S. a gun culture was the War Between the States (the War of Northern Aggression, the War of Southern Rebellion, call it what you will). We saw an explosion in firearm technology at this same time and the consequence, during the "frontier" period that MD alluded to, was that post war, the sheer numbers of guns and men familiar with them created a culture where firearms were commonplace among the common people, not just the elite social class.
 
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