How dilligent are you when loading your gun?

Personaly i would not be offended if someone corrected me for improperly using firearm terminology, dont look at it as sniping, but a chance to enlighten someone, i know my m1 Garand uses clips, and my colt 1911 45 uses magazines, two totaly different things that do the same job.

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thehighroad.org - A website for learning more about English and firearms.

thehighroad.org - A website for learning more about English and firearms.

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...and both pursuits are worthwhile.

Les

I posted this before at the range a shooter had a contender in 44mag .put a 38.special in by accident .went to load a 44mag.in it stopped .he stopped and looked could have been a disaster .this happens when you share the same lane.

Folks, proper terminology is important.

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Clip and magazine are not feeding the antis anything.

ljnowell: said:

Clip and magazine are not feeding the antis anything.

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Finally, a common sense response.

+1

Kind of like the safety instructor that constantly corrects you when you call it a gun. "It is not a gun, it is a firearm". Annoying...

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It's not a firearm, it's a WEAPON!
<<<just kidding>>>

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Originally Posted by ljnowell:
Clip and magazine are not feeding the antis anything.

Finally, a common sense response.

+1

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No kidding. Some people here are like Nazis when it comes to what you say EXACTLY. As long as you are careful how you use "assauly rifle" around people, it doesn't really matter. It's just an easy term for describing what style firearm you have. When you say "sporting rifle", it leaves a lot of questions.

"assauly rifle"

Now that is an ORIGINAL name for it!

back on track-

very dilligent. I shot 45 acp, a friend of mine has a GAP, and another has a 10mm.

If we're out at the same time I keep very close watch on what's going in the gun, even if I KNOW my box of ammo hasn't been out of my possession.

Also comes into play during reloading- in case I accidentally got one of their pieces of brass.

If you had been in the Army in 1957 you would know the difference between a Rifle, a Gun ,and a Firearm.
You would have been sent runing around the parade ground holding your private part with one hand and your rifle with the other shouting "this is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for shooting and one is for fun". A gun is 55mm or over.
Damn I miss the good old days.
Frank

BTW I could find all sorts of misused words and grammatically incorrect phrases in the posts of nearly everyone on this board. The "pet peeve" nature of the magazine / clip controversy seems pretty hollow coming from a board where all sorts of innaccuracies are accepted. I don't want to single anyone out so I won't prove my point. I will just say that I was a journalism major in college and that I know how language works. I think everyone here recognizes that this is hardly the place where perfect English is demanded or even expected. So why the pet peeve over this one term?

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I thought one was supposed to use a comma before a conjunction. Of course, I wasn't a journalism major, so I may be totally wrong.

noun 1. a metal frame or container holding cartridges; can be inserted into an automatic gun

You'll notice there is no differentiation between a clip and a magazine. A "container" implies more than a strip of metal that doesn't surround the cartridges.

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Main Entry: assault rifle
Function:
noun
Date:
1972

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

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assault rifle
 
–noun
1. a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2. a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usu. modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

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As can be seen from the examples above, civilian dictionaries are hardly the authorities on weapon nomenclature.

The only reason I picked up on this

Was the entire lack of the word "Carbine."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine

http://www.colt.com/mil/M4.asp

Which then kinda led me to the word magazine...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearms)

Other than what shows up in your mailbox

On a monthly basis...........



So, as my mother is fond of saying,

"You pays your money and you takes your choice."

This applies equally to whiskey, women, firearms, and

Of course,

Lingo.


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Then there are those of us, used clips to load our magazines.

A drop dead gorgeous Florida State Trooper I used to know, while I was working with the Sheriff's Dept back in my home town in Florida, did that with her Beretta 96, firing 9mm in her 40 chamber. I told her to get it checked out by their Armorer. I doubt she did.

At least she was practicing with her service pistol. She wasn't a very good shot, and did not take to me helping her very well. She was more self conscious and embarrassed about it than wanting to get better. The girl just wouldn't listen.

Go figure.

Fred

My question would be, why would a range have the boxes of factory open? Also, why would more than one caliber be opened at once for the ammo to fall and mix?

IMO, it sounds like the range is buying bulk ammo and repackaging it as factory ammo or even worse, reloading their own and passing it off as factory ammo.

IMO this is a very bad thing and should be checked into. (especially since they could have hurt you badly)

I like to line up the ammo that I'm going to load into a magazine to see if they're the same height. Then as I load each one, I inspect it again to see if there is anything strange about it. I've also standardized on just a few calibers that are very different so that also makes mixed caliber problems like the OP told about almost non-existent.

So not to stray from the original question... i have never had an issue with the wrong caliber cartridge, however, with cheap target ammo i have on occasion caught a "bad" round before i loaded it. I have seen a bullet that was barely held in by the casing, and I've seen warped casings and a round that was even missing a primer! Granted these are rare but notable occurrences. Never had an issue with my "carry" ammo.

Crushpup said: The M1's magazine is internal. The enbloc clip has no spring, so it is not a magazine. It is retained within the gun, but the clip and mag are 2 separate parts.

Excellent! That is the first definitive explanation of the difference between a magazine and a clip that I have ever seen.

Cordially, Jack

So why the pet peeves over this one term?

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After several paragraphs of defending the right to misuse words and argue context to excuse poor grammar, it would seem you have found a pretext for airing out your own "pet peeve".