So last weekend i go to the usual public range where i have been probably 30 times over the last 5-6 months and shoot a full 15 round magazine like I have done every other time i have been there. the RO comes up behind me holding up 10 fingers and tells me i can only load 10 rounds at a time. this rule is not posted anywhere or anything. I think it is just an RO with the perverbial stick in a bad place. anyone else had similar range experiences?
10 Round limit on a public Range
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Sam1911
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Surely every range has its own set of rules. The state game lands ranges here only allow 3 shots in a rifle or six in a handgun (IIRC, it has been a LOOOOoooong time).
Various ranges choose not to allow "rapid" fire (defined however they choose), or shooting from alternate positions, shooting while moving, or even in some cases, drawing from a holster -- which would seem to negate the value of practicing with a sidearm almost entirely.
It is always a good idea to carefully check what the range restrictions are before paying money to join, or even to rent some time on one.
As for state-run public facilities you do need to check with your Game Commission or DNR to see what rules are in place to govern activities so you don't get fined or prohibited from the property.
Various ranges choose not to allow "rapid" fire (defined however they choose), or shooting from alternate positions, shooting while moving, or even in some cases, drawing from a holster -- which would seem to negate the value of practicing with a sidearm almost entirely.
It is always a good idea to carefully check what the range restrictions are before paying money to join, or even to rent some time on one.
As for state-run public facilities you do need to check with your Game Commission or DNR to see what rules are in place to govern activities so you don't get fined or prohibited from the property.
Nushif
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I agree with what Sam said.
Check the rules over *really* well so you can make an informed decision on what to do next.
If it's in there ... you have to deal with it or find a new range. (I'd find a new range.)
If it's not I'd make sure someone knows their RO is making up arbitrary rules.
Check the rules over *really* well so you can make an informed decision on what to do next.
If it's in there ... you have to deal with it or find a new range. (I'd find a new range.)
If it's not I'd make sure someone knows their RO is making up arbitrary rules.
CraigC
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Unfortunately, the chest-thumping morons that spray the countryside with bullets ruin it for everybody.
Nushif
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Some harsh language there.
I don't think somebody who fully loads a 92 is neccesarily a chest thumping moron.
I also don't think someone who turns some bullets into noise to blow off some steam once in a while is a chest pounding moron. More than once did I go up to MAry's PEak with a friend of mine with the full intent to just throw some shot around at some large targets that actually moved, after a bad week.
I also don't think that somebody who still has capacity in mind over the "One Shot One Kill" mentality is a chest thumping moron.
Maybe I'm just relaxing too much these days. But some chronic gripes aside I am actually pretty happy with the shooting community I've seen these days. Even "One Round every ten minutes" hunters. They're usually good for conversation between drills.
I don't think somebody who fully loads a 92 is neccesarily a chest thumping moron.
I also don't think someone who turns some bullets into noise to blow off some steam once in a while is a chest pounding moron. More than once did I go up to MAry's PEak with a friend of mine with the full intent to just throw some shot around at some large targets that actually moved, after a bad week.
I also don't think that somebody who still has capacity in mind over the "One Shot One Kill" mentality is a chest thumping moron.
Maybe I'm just relaxing too much these days. But some chronic gripes aside I am actually pretty happy with the shooting community I've seen these days. Even "One Round every ten minutes" hunters. They're usually good for conversation between drills.
withdrawn34
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I believe you misread CraigC's comment. He was referring to those who go to the range, and press the trigger as quickly as they can, and spray the entire range with gunfire, with little to no regard about actually hitting anything. At the indoor range, these are the people responsible for all the bullet strikes on the roof baffles, side walls, and sometimes even the lane dividers (eek!).
They ruin a lot for the rest of us. My local range has a 1 shot per second limit, and no drawing from the holster.
No 10 round limit, though. that is pretty silly. What prevents someone from being stupid with 10 rounds? I never understood such idiotic rules. If someone is clearly being an idiot, just kick them off the range. Problem solved. Sometimes I think some ranges just love making rules because they get a head full of power.
rcmodel
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Just count your blessings that you even have a public range you can use.
Lot's of us don't.
rc
Lot's of us don't.
rc
Sam1911
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Well, I feel I should toss in that a truly "public" range is rarely a thing to be greatly longed for. 
In my experience throughout several states they appear to be an odd nexus of both the most intrusive rules and the highest concentrations of folks bent on providing both justifications for those rules and employment for the local mortuary.
A really good private club that closely matches your needs as a shooter is almost always worth the membership fee (and I've paid as much as $500 for that and still felt it worth the cost).
But you still have to watch out to make sure you don't end up paying to join a place that won't let you run realistic drills, or draw from a holster, or whatever other practice/training points you need to cover.
In my experience throughout several states they appear to be an odd nexus of both the most intrusive rules and the highest concentrations of folks bent on providing both justifications for those rules and employment for the local mortuary.
A really good private club that closely matches your needs as a shooter is almost always worth the membership fee (and I've paid as much as $500 for that and still felt it worth the cost).
But you still have to watch out to make sure you don't end up paying to join a place that won't let you run realistic drills, or draw from a holster, or whatever other practice/training points you need to cover.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Exactly! I'm not saying it's right or justified, I'm just saying there's probably a good reason for it.
Agreed, 100%. I recall the public range run by Fish & Game in Ocala, FL. There was no bathroom and you're 45mins from the nearest public bathroom. Folks had to go in the woods. They finally installed a bathroom, I was shocked and elated. It wasn't there long before some idiots shot it to pieces and it was eventually removed. Typical. Back to crapping in the woods. Thankfully, I moved to the hills of Tennessee four years ago and don't have to worry about that stuff any more.
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dirtykid
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At our local range you could snap-in a 50-round drum if you wanted too, as long as you keep "burst's" to 3-round max,, seems logical,
Sam1911
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And that makes it hard to run a "Bill Drill." So, again, you need to make sure of what you're getting into when you join.
First, eastern Kansas has a public range: http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/Other-Services/Education/Shooting-Ranges/Fancy-Creek-Range
Second, I'm glad I have my own land where I can shoot however I want.
Third, if there is no written rule that you can't load a full magazine in excess of 10 rounds, I would take it up with the range management rather than the RO.
Second, I'm glad I have my own land where I can shoot however I want.
Third, if there is no written rule that you can't load a full magazine in excess of 10 rounds, I would take it up with the range management rather than the RO.
randytrapper
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I personally don't have a problem with it. Like Sam said, here in PA at our 'Public' game land ranges it's 3 in a rifle and 6 in a hand gun.
I have an AK and it is nice to load up and have fun but I realize the cost to maintain the range and before hunting seasons it's plain rude to use up range time.
Sometime between 4-1 and 7-31 PA will require either a $30 permit or your hunting license in order to use the 'public' ranges. I don't have a problem with that either. Hopefully it will keep out some of the rif-raf.
I have an AK and it is nice to load up and have fun but I realize the cost to maintain the range and before hunting seasons it's plain rude to use up range time.
Sometime between 4-1 and 7-31 PA will require either a $30 permit or your hunting license in order to use the 'public' ranges. I don't have a problem with that either. Hopefully it will keep out some of the rif-raf.
Hahaha! Kenmore by chance? I think those guys just get off on telling people what to do in general.
My local range just enacted a "no rapid fire" rule defined as no more than one round per second, tough to do ANY kind of drill like that.
788Ham
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At the range I belong to, there are signs posted by each bench," ONLY ONE ROUND IN RIFLE AT A TIME". They mean it too, more than that and you are asked to leave! If you do it again, you're banned from the range. This keeps those wanting to spray the range from doing so. There is a police range next to the other ranges, but if you're not LEO, you don't shoot on that range, rules made when the police range was put in, they shoot some long bursts over there in training, but you don't.
Valkman
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I used to shoot at a indoor range where 90% of us were shooting Bullseye, and the rule was 5 rounds at a time. That was right for that range.
Every range since then has not had a limit, and the last one (in Vegas) it was good that they didn't because many of us shot our FA weapons there. 10 rounds would definitly suck in full auto.
Every range since then has not had a limit, and the last one (in Vegas) it was good that they didn't because many of us shot our FA weapons there. 10 rounds would definitly suck in full auto.
I joined a club even farther north of Seattle. The range rules are pretty straight forward, common sense. My only concern, they have several IPSC bays seperate from the standard shooting bays with traps. The rule is, you can't use the bays unless you are certified by the IPSC president. The president is too busy to train anyone. Even after you are certified to use the bays, you must go up there in groups of 2 or more (also qualified bay users). The only other member I know are also not bay certified. None of us know why you can not go up there solo. I'm sure there is some reason.
They are probably afraid you won't remember what you are supposed to do there if no one is present to run a beeper in your ear.
Range rules are like building codes. They are developed in response to some incident, usually an near or actual accidental injury or death. None of them are simply arbitrary. Some may seem to be over reacting and if so they can usually be changed with rational input from shooters to the board or governing body.
One of the problems with public ranges are that they attract gun owners with all levels of ability, knowledge and common sense. Since you have some users that have never even read the firearm safety rules or had anyone explain it to them and others who are simply mindless fools, there are some rules that are inconvenient to the more knowledgeable experienced shooter.
Private clubs, or at least the ones I've belonged to, generally limit the dangerous and foolish individuals by giving new members a good safety orientation and permanently expelling any individual who shows unsafe tendencies.
One of the problems with public ranges are that they attract gun owners with all levels of ability, knowledge and common sense. Since you have some users that have never even read the firearm safety rules or had anyone explain it to them and others who are simply mindless fools, there are some rules that are inconvenient to the more knowledgeable experienced shooter.
Private clubs, or at least the ones I've belonged to, generally limit the dangerous and foolish individuals by giving new members a good safety orientation and permanently expelling any individual who shows unsafe tendencies.
NMGonzo
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City range = double taps are ok.
How fast you can double tap? Is up to you.
How fast you can double tap? Is up to you.
NMGonzo
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mistake
easyg
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I don't get this ^ notion.
So long as the shooter is not being unsafe and endangering the lives of others, or destroying the range itself, I don't care how he shoots.
If some guy wants to waste a ton of ammo shooting up a mountainside that's his business, not mine.
Personally, I don't have that kind of money to waste.
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