Is the ATF ussually considered pro or anti?

The ATF enforces gun laws.
Gun laws restrict gun ownership.
Therefore the ATF is anti-gun.

another person using the false logic, applying, If A = B and B=C, then A=C.

Let's use other real world examples:

ATF pursues and prosecutes outlaw gun running, drug dealing biker gangs
Biker gangs are a menace to public safety
Therefore ATF is pursuing and prosecuting individuals deemed a menace to society.....

oh wait, that can't be!!! According to 99.9% on this thread, ATF is a menace to society....hmmmm, well we can dump these biker gangs and whatever else goons they go after in your neck of the woods and have you live happily ever after...

most on here forget, ATF agents would rather go after big name crooks and criminal enterprises, not Joe Blow who has a 50 round drum and 3 AKs. The universe doesn't center around gun owners. I don't support a free for all on letting anyone own a gun without restrictions. Sorry, tines have changed and this isn't the wild west. Get over it.

I don't support a free for all on letting anyone own a gun without restrictions.

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Just because you don't agree doesn't make my logic false.

Is the Department of Transportation Pro or Anti car? Makes about as much sense. Individuals within the agency may be pro or anti, (have met both types at ATF) but the ATF itself simply administers the laws that congress passes. If you think ATF is anti gun then get congress to change the laws.

The Department of Transportation does not regulate the ownership, possession, and modification of automobiles. It merely regulates their use on public roads. Thus the analogy is broken.

If all the ATF did was regulate the use of firearms on public land, I would not consider them anti-gun. But that is not the case.

I'll say it again...

by definition the ATF is Anti-gun/2a.

The 2nd amendment says it shall not be infringed. Infringing upon something means to go against, trespass, violate, invalidate, etc.

The ATF enforces gun control/laws, and according to the 2a, a law restricting anyones ownership of a firearm is an infringement of the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about keeping the insane, criminals, short barrels, full auto, and so on to a minimum or any sort of regulation.

I can go on all day, but if you're going by definition and talking about the ATF agency as a whole, it should be considered anti-gun/2a. I'm sure theres mega super duper pro-gun agents workin for the atf as well as mega super duper anti-gun agents, but the agencies intent and actions are anti-gun/2a, regardless of it's employees.

You can be against firearms and work for the Nevada ACLU, the Nevada ACLU is pro-2a and opposes gun control. Just because it's employees are anti-gun, that does not mean the ACLU is anti-gun.

And like General Geoff said, the DMV doesn't regulate possession, modification, or ownership.

And like General Geoff said, the DMV doesn't regulate possession, modification, or ownership.

DMV DOES regulate....you won't pass inspection in some states if you have tint on the front windows. DMV DOES regulate modification.....in CA, certain aftermarket parts dealing with the emissions system (exhaust mostly) have to be CA approved or else you fail.

you must mean be DOT rather than DMV....

As sernv99 hopes for a master race of his own, he's illustrated that he himself is anti-RKBA.

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I don't support a free for all on letting anyone own a gun without restrictions.

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That position is in opposition (anti) to the 2nd Amendment of our Bill of Rights. Your position puts you in the anti-RKBA crowd. With friend like you...

DMV DOES regulate....you won't pass inspection in some states if you have tint on the front windows. DMV DOES regulate modification.....in CA, certain aftermarket parts dealing with the emissions system (exhaust mostly) have to be CA approved or else you fail.

you must mean be DOT rather than DMV....

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Passing inspection is not required for ownership or use of a vehicle. Only for use of said vehicle on public roads. Same with use of "approved" aftermarket parts. Only applies if you're registering said vehicle for use on public roads.

I don't support a free for all on letting anyone own a gun without restrictions.

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There is a majority here that would disagree with you, not me though, I guess that makes me a gun grabber

I surely wish there was a way in the vBB software to force folk to read all of the previous posts before they were allowed to insert their own content. I cannot believe that we'd be seeing some of the inputs in this thread, had folks had simply bothered to take the time to read the whole thread.

The discussion here started well but has been reduced to bickering.

This one is done.