Choices on "safetey" free carry gun.
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c919
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No matter what you decide on it will be a compromise to some degree (depending on your definition of "safety"). Basically all of your choices will have some type of safety that is at small risk of failure.
Do you mean no manual switch/grip engaged device?
Are you willing to compromise with trigger safety? Drop safety?
I think if those things dont bother you too bad, the WALTHER PPS is the way to go.
Do you mean no manual switch/grip engaged device?
Are you willing to compromise with trigger safety? Drop safety?
I think if those things dont bother you too bad, the WALTHER PPS is the way to go.
Nate1778
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Another vote for the Glock 19, just bought one and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
hwp
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Carry gun with no external safety?
It begins with a G and ends with a K.
It begins with a G and ends with a K.
HiPower70
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Kahr MK9. Solid, accurate, reliable, small.
FatalMove
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I like the Walther pps comes in 9mm or 40. It has a trigger safety like the glock but is the thinner than the glock. It has 6,7, and 8 round mags. the 6 round lets the pinky float but is easy to conceal. the 7 and 8 round lets the pinky get a grip. I have put 300 rounds through mine without fail. It is recommended 500 rounds for breakin. Will make for a nice summer time gun. When winter comes and i put on the coat, ill reach for the 1911 again!
check it out: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y
check it out: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y
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Deanimator
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2nd Generation Glock 19.
I don't like rails or finger grooves.
I don't like rails or finger grooves.
TOADMAN
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Glock 26.. All day every day conceal carry the G26 is much more comfortable than the G19, just as accurate and deadly as the G19.. Been there done that...With the G26, have no real need for a G19.
Gardien
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HK P2000SK w/LEM.
DAO
My former agency would not authorize any pistol with a safety.
So I carried a GLOCK 17 or 19 and for a short time I carried a SIG 226. Then we went to the BERETTA 96D Brigadier as a standard pistol. Now we carry the H&K P2000.
These are the safety free guns that I have used and can recommend in order of MY preference. I strongly suggest you try before you buy.
1. WALTHER P-99 QA. A WALTHER P-99 with a GLOCK like action.
I shoot the standard WALTER P-99 and love it. It does not have a safety, but does have a decocker that I never use. It is almost as light as the GLOCK and quite accurate with a grip that is much nicer in my hand than the GLOCK.
I have not found any negatives. You may not like the magazine release lever as it is like the H&K (see below).
2. From a shooting preference, I would choose the BERETTA 92D in either the Brigadier or Centurion models. Both are easy to shoot, absolutely reliable and very accurate. They are also less expensive than the other pistols l have listed, except the GLOCK.
I use the BERETTA as a house gun and occasionally carry it.
The negatives are the size. They are big pistols and heavier than the plastic framed guns.
3. I love carrying the GLOCK 19 because it is so light and has a 15 round magazine capacity. Reliability is always perfect, as good as the BERETTA unless you limp wrist when you shoot.
It makes a great carry gun and can fill in fine for a house or car gun. It is also the most reasonably priced.
The negatives are that the grip may not be that comfortable and accuracy is below the level of the BERETTA, H&K, SIG and WALTHER.
4. SIG 226, 228 and 229. The SIG has a more complicated manual of arms as you fire double action, then single action. You also have to lower the hammer at the end of shooting.
The double action only SIG'S with the DAK trigger are terrific and very accurate.
The negatives are that they are heavier than the GLOCK'S and much more costly than the BERETTA or GLOCK.
5. The H&K P2000 with the LEM trigger is a terrific gun. It offers compact size, reliability, accuracy and a simple trigger. Also, the .40 caliber version kicks like a 9m.m.
The only negative here is price. It can be even more expensive than the GLOCK! Also, some of the officers I work with hate the magazine release. It it a horizontal lever on either side of the trigger guard instead of a button like the BERETTA, GLOCK and SIG.
6. BERETTA 8000d model. I have one of the police trade in 8000d model's in 9m.m. It is accurate and reliable. It can also be found at a lower cost than the 92 modles.
The negatives are weight compared to the plastic framed guns and size. The 15 round magazine makes for a gun that is just as tall as the model 92. Accuracy when compared to the model 92d, SIG, H&K or WALTHER. The model 8000 is accurate, just not as good as the 92d in my experience.
If you can find either a BERETTA 92D, BERETTA 8000 or SIG dao police trade in at a good price, it may be perfect for you.
Good luck and remember to try before you buy.
Jim
My former agency would not authorize any pistol with a safety.
So I carried a GLOCK 17 or 19 and for a short time I carried a SIG 226. Then we went to the BERETTA 96D Brigadier as a standard pistol. Now we carry the H&K P2000.
These are the safety free guns that I have used and can recommend in order of MY preference. I strongly suggest you try before you buy.
1. WALTHER P-99 QA. A WALTHER P-99 with a GLOCK like action.
I shoot the standard WALTER P-99 and love it. It does not have a safety, but does have a decocker that I never use. It is almost as light as the GLOCK and quite accurate with a grip that is much nicer in my hand than the GLOCK.
I have not found any negatives. You may not like the magazine release lever as it is like the H&K (see below).
2. From a shooting preference, I would choose the BERETTA 92D in either the Brigadier or Centurion models. Both are easy to shoot, absolutely reliable and very accurate. They are also less expensive than the other pistols l have listed, except the GLOCK.
I use the BERETTA as a house gun and occasionally carry it.
The negatives are the size. They are big pistols and heavier than the plastic framed guns.
3. I love carrying the GLOCK 19 because it is so light and has a 15 round magazine capacity. Reliability is always perfect, as good as the BERETTA unless you limp wrist when you shoot.
It makes a great carry gun and can fill in fine for a house or car gun. It is also the most reasonably priced.
The negatives are that the grip may not be that comfortable and accuracy is below the level of the BERETTA, H&K, SIG and WALTHER.
4. SIG 226, 228 and 229. The SIG has a more complicated manual of arms as you fire double action, then single action. You also have to lower the hammer at the end of shooting.
The double action only SIG'S with the DAK trigger are terrific and very accurate.
The negatives are that they are heavier than the GLOCK'S and much more costly than the BERETTA or GLOCK.
5. The H&K P2000 with the LEM trigger is a terrific gun. It offers compact size, reliability, accuracy and a simple trigger. Also, the .40 caliber version kicks like a 9m.m.
The only negative here is price. It can be even more expensive than the GLOCK! Also, some of the officers I work with hate the magazine release. It it a horizontal lever on either side of the trigger guard instead of a button like the BERETTA, GLOCK and SIG.
6. BERETTA 8000d model. I have one of the police trade in 8000d model's in 9m.m. It is accurate and reliable. It can also be found at a lower cost than the 92 modles.
The negatives are weight compared to the plastic framed guns and size. The 15 round magazine makes for a gun that is just as tall as the model 92. Accuracy when compared to the model 92d, SIG, H&K or WALTHER. The model 8000 is accurate, just not as good as the 92d in my experience.
If you can find either a BERETTA 92D, BERETTA 8000 or SIG dao police trade in at a good price, it may be perfect for you.
Good luck and remember to try before you buy.
Jim
weisse52
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+1 on parts rarely failing on a quality 1911
mrtangoguy
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no safety mmm
How about a revolver .357 mag will take care anything you may need to shoot!
How about a revolver .357 mag will take care anything you may need to shoot!
jackstinson
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My personal favorite is a police-trade Smith & Wesson 6946.
marriedguy1
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Anyone that knows me will say that after a 1911 it is a Walther. I love my P99 and would like to get a PPS or a P99C. My only experience with a Glock was a 22 and a 19 one day at the range. Good guns and work fine. Don't fit my hand and were simply not comfortable for me.(totally subjective)
Zerodefect
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Glock 23/38/32/19.....in that order.
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