Ammo carried?

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Originally Posted by lonewolf2810
If I have to shoot through walls or anything I should have time to get the hell out of there before the BG has a chance to find or get me. Then I should have the advantage on waiting for him to come to me if he thinks he really wants to.

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What if you are boxed in or cornered behind partial cover? Having to shoot a BG through cover doesn't mean you are out of danger.



To respond to the OP I don't have a carry system yet as I don't have a CHL yet. I place JHP on the top of my mags with FP FMJs on the bottom end of the mags. IIRC I have 7 JHPs and 9 FMJs in each of my two ready to go mags I keep at home.

Didn't you learn that you should be aware of what is beyond the target? Obviously that is not your worry. You can claim tunnel vision if you ever need to go before a grand jury and explain your actions.
You need to get out of the military mindset before posting anything on what a civilian should or shouldn't do. Bad advice. Shooting through a car door because of car jacking? Is that so the car jacker doesn't get into the car or after he pulls you from it?
As far as the couch? Why wouldn't you get out of the situation instead of trying to guess where he may be behind the couch and firing into it hoping that God didn't put little Suzy in the way of your bullet?

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Yes I learned that. Bullets don't move in straight lines once they penetrate a target. So there is as much chance of them going left / right as straight. So pick your flavor. It doesn't matter. Most states have laws that would prohibit you getting billed for a round that ACTUALLY went through someone and killed someone else.

About car jacking, you a describing ONE scenario. There are plenty of scenarios were you are firing through your door because the gun is carried at waste level into the attacker... Come on man. All manner of things CAN AND DO happen. Stop acting as if this is a test that you can study and get all the right answers to.

I hope everyone is function testing this stew of ammo they are carrying in their guns under some fair simulation to prove the different weights, bullets, and charges will actually function through the guns and mags.
Seems like just adding in more unnessasary variables.

X-RAP

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Untested weapons shouldn't be counted on...

Man this is getting out of hand all we need is an answer to what kind of ammo do you carry That's all
Like I said mine is JHP and with 9+1.

JHP in my SD weapons

Wow, some people around here like penetration so much they think the first virgin they accidentally shoot will like it.

Using FMJ as a defensive bullet, and defending it on the internet, proves irresponsible people are actually carrying right now, and think shooting someone who's attacking you is like shooting ballistic gel at a range, which isn't the reality right now... at least in MY reality, a FMJ 9mm round will go right trough this bad guy and continue it's way into whatever is thrown in it's path, which could be YOUR kid.

Please think twice.

There's a lot of weird advice in this thread.

The vast majority of SD shootings occur at less than 5 yards range and involve the firing of less than 3 rounds by either party. You really think you're accomplishing something by making rounds 8-12 different from 1-7?

Federal HST is in my magazine, from top to bottom. Ferocious expansion leading to increased tissue disruption is what kills bad guys quick. That's all you need. None of this "what if I have to shoot through a door?" nonsense. If he's on the other side of a door, odds are small that he's an immediate threat to your life. If you're really worried about barriers, use Federal Tactical Bonded, it's decent on barriers and still has a chance of expanding, unlike FMJ.

230 grain Hornady TAP JHP's for the entire magazine, and the spare two.

230 grain Hornandy TAP +P's .

Corbon Powerball top to bottom in all mags (9mm, .40, .45). DPX in the .380's.

Expensive to test, but test them all before carrying. Minimum 100rds/pistol. (Ouch!$)

Steve

Personally I load all JHP for HD/SD.(Speer gold dots) I do this for a couple reasons. One all of the research I have done leads me to believe that a rapidly expanding JHP is more likely to cause a wound that will rapidly stop an assailant than an FMJ round. This is assuming similar shot placement, but then again no matter what gun/ammo you shoot shot placement will be the most critical factor in stopping an attack. I have also read/heard that mixing ammo types can cause feed issues in some guns, and the last thing I want in a life/death situation is a weapon malfunction due to mixing ammo. If you feel you must mix your ammo I highly reccomend running a several mags through your gun with the same loadout that you plan to carry to make sure reliability will not be an issue. The third reason is a point I have read numerous places, and that is being able to defend my choice in ammo in court if needed. My argument at the moment would be that JHP ammo seems to be what is chosen most by LEOs, and of course the reasons I provided above. Oh and I test fired at least 100 rounds of gold dots through my gun so I am confident it will feed reliably in my gun.

I am not gonna argue the neccesity of shooting through obstructions, but all the people arguing that you need FJM to shoot a BG through a wall/door/windshield/couch really should visit www.theboxotruth.com. You may be surprised at what you can penetrate with modern JHP ammunition. I used to tell myself that I used JHP to prevent over-penetration, or to prevent shooting through walls to hit a neighbor or family member. After doing a bunch of research I have come to the conclusion that any round that has suitable penetration to take down a BG reliably is going to run the risk of over-penetration, and will easly punch through multiple standard constructions walls. The best I can do is try to make sure of what is beyond my target, and practice as often as I can afford to reduce the chances of missing my target should I need to defende myself or my family. As to penetrating armor, if I am against an assailant wearing armor and all I have is a handgun I am going to do my damndest to avoid that fight, and if cornered I am not going to be aiming for the armor. I would certainly not rely on any (FMJ or otherwise) handgun ammo available legally to civilians to penetrate modern body armor reliably either.

Starting at the beginning.

You must always assume that all of your ammunition is going to overpenetrate. There are rounds that are LESS LIKELY to overpenetrate, none that are GUARANTEED not to overpenetrate. And even if they were, there is no guarantee that they will all hit the target. You should place most value on the effectiveness of a round. Not on whether or not it will overpenetrate.

There's really no good reason to mix and match ammo in a magazine. You need to know what round is next all of the time. Putting different rounds in first ASSUMES that you know what circumstances you will be facing when you are fighting for your life. It is saying that you think there are varying levels of lethality when you are fighting for your life. There aren't.

If you are worried about shooting THROUGH things, you should consider using something besides a pistol in the first place. It's not that police need multiple shots to stop someone in a car, they use multiple rounds because pistol rounds are bad tools to stop anyone from doing anything in the first place. When you are trying to stop someone's actions with a pistol, you are ALWAYS needing multiple shots. You can NEVER assume that one round is enough. If the suspect is only hit once or twice, it's because it is difficult to actually get hits in combat. Your adrenaline is running, someone is shooting back, and you are only as good as your training.

A pistol is an EMERGENCY tool that you use because you were caught without something bigger. If the (very remote) need arose for me to engage a target in a car or through a wall, I want a rifle or a shotgun. I ALWAYS want a rifle or a shotgun.

And mbt2001-

I will be VERY surprised if you can quote code from ONE state that excuses a defensive shooter from the consequences of a bullet that travels through its intended target. YOU are responsible for everything that bullet does, good and bad.

No dutch loading here.

All HP's----, if I ever have to use my ccw it will be to stop someone from killing me or a family member. FMJ's are not ideal for accomplishing that goal in my opinion.

The FMJ are two, which would hopefully be center mass hits, are to get the aggressors "attention" and stop the action with hope fully minimal collateral damage. The HP are if he doesn't get the message and procedes. This may or may not be a good idea, I don't know.

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IMO it is not. Your goal, if the situation justified it at all, is to incapacitate your attacker ASAP, not "get his attention." Also, there is a greater likelihood of a through-and-through penetration hitting a bystander, especially if you don't score center mass hits.

Winchester Bonded PDX1 230 Grain JHP

JHP in everything but .380. FMJ in the .380.

I would also like to see ANY state law removing responsibility from the shooter if the round passes through a bad guy. It sure as heck doesn't in SC.

I tell all my CWP students... When you turn the gun on, you own everything that comes out of the barrel. Good, bad or ugly.

Scott

When innocent people get hit by the police in shootouts, they are also open to liability.

ONLY 9mm JHP's in the Glocks, JHP's in the spare mag. I never load FMJ in anything except my 1911, because it is only completely reliable with FMJ's. This pistol is a 3rd level backup though. JHP's in the .357 magnums too. Heck, I have frangble 55gr in the first 10 rounds of the mag for the HD AR15 followed by XM193's.

There has been too much research on the effectiveness of JHP's for me to choose FMJ's. If I have to use a handgun, I want the most effective round I can have. FMJ's are not the way to go IMO. As far as shooting through some sort of barrier, I am only going to do that in my own house. In the "field", I only want to survive and the gun fight, so hunkerin' down behind cover is my intention.

Hornady .40 TAP/XTP 155gr
(No FMJ for me.)