Example of why I do not pocket carry

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Where there is a will, there is a way. Be creative and suddenly a whole host of possibilities open up.

I avoided belt and pocket carry today because I went to the clinic. I used a Dillon Precision "Plan B" Day Planner. Worked great, even though I looked like an Amway guy.
 
For me...I view this as an "example of why to carry." Good on her for getting a carry permit and being able to effectively defend her life.
 
Instead of saying this is why not to carry, I think that we should view this as:
a) why carrying with you all the time is so important
b) confirmation that the first rule of a gunfight is have a gun
c) a small gun on the person beats a big one that you take off while performing your duties at work due to inconvenience.
 
She got low... +1 on that.

You can go through a lot of training and still not react that way.
 
Instead of saying this is why not to carry, I think that we should view this as:
a) why carrying with you all the time is so important
b) confirmation that the first rule of a gunfight is have a gun
c) a small gun on the person beats a big one that you take off while performing your duties at work due to inconvenience.
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+1000!
 
It's an interesting scenario, but what were her other carry options? She's wearing a tee shirt and shorts. Not much option for outside the WB carry. Inside the WB could have been at least as difficult to dig out as the pocket. SOB or flank carry and she would have been sitting on the piece. Deep concealed shoulder would again have required digging out. Not to mention the possibility, with a holster carry, of the sudden violent movement sending the firearm skidding across the floor.

I think the lesson here is to have a gun, and that no concealed carry is going to be perfect.
 
Yeah maybe not ideal but given the situation, looks like she did great. I mean even with my IWB, getting low, barricading the door and getting your weapon out to bear, tough to do under pressure like this. She took care of business and it worked out for her. She ended the threat, and lived another day.
 
I never said "Don't carry". I said "Don't carry in the pocket."

This is a great case for belt carry. That gun, carried in the appendix position (a good place for women), would have been much more accessible.

The draw is too difficult and this woman was under pressure. She was lucky that she was able to draw. If that man had been on her, she never would have been able to draw. In SouthNarc's ECQC class, I learned very quickly that contact fighting limits your options--and the gun is generally not one of them. Even a gun openly carried and holstered on the hip can be too difficult to get out when under pressure (I experienced that one by landing flat on my back and found a hand controlling my forearm which held a Glock loaded with Simunitions).

However, she did take advantage of a short pause to get her hand in the pocket and begin the draw. But, getting to a gun carried in the pocket if the guy had been on her? No way.

Good job too! One less felon on the streets!
 
Notice how she used two hands when she fired? I thought that was interesting.

Looking at the tape, her draw took between two and two and a half seconds.
 
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That gun, carried in the appendix position (a good place for women), would have been much more accessible.
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How could it have been concealed there? She would have had to have a covering shirt on even in the hot weather.
 
Frankly I thought she did quite well especially considering how fast things happened and the fact is she was smart enough to use her body to block the door from being forced open for several seconds.
She certainly wasn't getting much help from the guy next to her.
Some states,such as the one I live in, really mean they want your handgun concealed and not everyone finds comfort in carrying a firearm off their hip or inside their waistband.
I personally think how ever the firearm was carried under her exact present circumstances it might be difficult to draw because she was using her body to bolster the door.
But that guy took off like a scalded cat when he ran into the business end of her gun.

The next critique will be she should have had a 40 caliber instead of a .380 or some other such.
But that sorry Sob sure peeled out of there when he got what was richly coming his way now didn't he.
 
I'm just glad she had it........PERIOD....I'm sure she is, too. There is room for consideration of waist carry, yes I agree... but most importantly...she's alive!!!
 
The OP makes a good point. I once found myself in a similar situation in New Jersey (no guns allowed) where two guys jumped my girlfriend and I as we got into my car. I had put the seatbelt on over my raincoat and could not get to my knife in my right-hand pocket because of the obstructions. After that day, I kept a backup knife in my coat which I could more easily reach in a sitting/belted position.
 
I think she did an excellent job. Under stress and using her body as a barricade to block the door, and she still managed to draw and fire on the would-be-robber? She kept her mind very well focused and reacted appropriately.

Interesting outcome considering the BG pretty much had the drop on her and caught her off gaurd.
 
Not going to play armchair commander as I have never carried a handgun (A year left. :/ ), she used what worked for her, and she lived. Good for her.
 
Did she have a pocket holster that fit the gun properly?
Did any pocket holster cover the trigger on BOTH SIDES?

I agree, she did an EXCELLENT JOB, considering the STRESS LEVEL!
 
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But many of you are not seeing the problem. You're just parroting "Carry a gun! Carry a gun!"

This is not a cheerleading thread. Yes, she won...barely. That's good enough, but I don't want to be in such a position where it's so close.

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I'm more about carrying a gun effectively. I like to think it through.

That was a 2-2.5 second draw according to the video timing. She had to do it with a guy beating down the door and from a sitting position (which is weak in terms of strength, balance and positioning). She was forced to straighten her leg in order to access her weapon. That slowed her down considerably and the bad guy did get into the room.

It seems to me that a gun that was more accessible would have given the bad guy less opportunity to get in and do harm...he was right there and was about to succeed in hitting her. She just barely beat him. A more determined man would have pressed the attack even though he was shot. (We also do not know what damage was done to the bad guy. Maybe it hit the heart...or maybe just muscle...the angle was high. My hope is the guy keeled over quickly).

Then what? He took the hit. He could have shot her (according to her he had a gun, but I didn't see it).
 
I'm with 230therapy on this.

Try drawing from your pocket while getting off the X, or while seated, or while a 200 lb man is on top of you beating the H3!! out of you (it happens-don't tell me 'situational awareness' will prevent it), etc.

See how efficient it is :rolleyes:
 
Looking at it again, short of an outside the WB open carry leather holster I don't see that any IWB under her shirt would have been any easier to get to. In both cases you have to deal with getting past wrinkled material.

Try drawing from your pocket while getting off the X, or while seated, or while a 200 lb man is on top of you beating the H3!! out of you
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Try drawing from ANY waistline concealed carry position with a big man pinning you down. But so what? All concealed carry positions are compromises, and all have strengths and weaknesses. In this case, the pocket carry allowed her to have a firearm (rule 1) without the difficulties of buying and fitting some kind of IWB leather that worked for her and her dress style. It's all good and well to tell people to dress to the carry, but that's not realistic for most. And it can get real expensive. A simple pocket holster is among the least expensive and easiest to use means of carry. It ain't perfect, but neither is anything else.
 
230, do you ever have occasion where you are forced to wear a tucked in shirt with nothing over it?

It's real easy to say "don't pocket carry" when you have never had a job or had to attend an event where belt carry is just unconcealable, and OC is prohibited. Sometimes you just CAN'T carry on the belt without giving yourself away. And those times usually line up with times you don't want anyone else to know you have a gun. So what do you do? Carry in a backpack? Purse? Ankle holster? Deep concealment like SmartCarry? None of those are any easier to get at than pocket carry, and most are harder.
 
It's funny, you use an example that turned out mighty fine to argue that you would have done it differently.
 
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