Cosmoline
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There are pockets, and there are pockets.
Pocket carry in tight jeans is questionable at best. And if you favor tight jeans, a belt is going to do much better for you. I'm willing to bet that the anti-pocket carry crowd consists entirely of men with narrow hips, thin legs who wear blue jeans or slacks with big belts. They've tried pocket carry once and found it to be utterly useless.
Pocket carry in my winter coat? It's an entirely different matter. I can access a magnum wheelgun without any unusual movements and can draw from any position. In a pinch I can even shoot without drawing. In contrast, if I'm in full winter riding gear a belt carry is USELESS because a) I don't have a belt and b) even if I did I would have to dig through layers of clothes to get to it.
I've been in one very dicey encounter at near point blank range with a druggie in a back alley. Having a hand on the revolver ready to shoot him while he ranted was extremely comforting. And as far as he could tell, I was just keeping my hand warm. Drawing is a simple push if my trigger finger to clear the leather, come up and start shooting. I've practiced many times and it's the fastest draw I have.
230, if your move to your iron was sufficient to end the encounter, that's great--BUT IT ALSO MEANS IT WAS NOT COVERT! Take a look at this video from the street next to where I work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k93lgHSPEkU
Just a bit into the video, you'll see a bystander who's packing go for his IWB piece. And it's just as obvious that he's packing as it is that the other guys are drunks. There's nothing remotely "covert" about pushing aside your jacket and reaching for something special at 4 o'clock on your belt. If the other guy is intending to shoot you, that's his cue to do it fast.
In this case she had loose pockets, but perhaps not as loose as they should have been. Then again, she wasn't wearing a covering shirt and beltline carry would have tricky without open carry. So she did what she could given her circumstances. Women have a very different hip shape than men, and the curves make it much more challenging to conceal a handgun around a belt. Their belts are also very different from the big leather ones men can get away with wearing.
In short, no concealed carry method is perfect, and we need many options available to find the right balance for our own lives and situations. Leave the dogma behind.
Pocket carry in tight jeans is questionable at best. And if you favor tight jeans, a belt is going to do much better for you. I'm willing to bet that the anti-pocket carry crowd consists entirely of men with narrow hips, thin legs who wear blue jeans or slacks with big belts. They've tried pocket carry once and found it to be utterly useless.
Pocket carry in my winter coat? It's an entirely different matter. I can access a magnum wheelgun without any unusual movements and can draw from any position. In a pinch I can even shoot without drawing. In contrast, if I'm in full winter riding gear a belt carry is USELESS because a) I don't have a belt and b) even if I did I would have to dig through layers of clothes to get to it.
I've been in one very dicey encounter at near point blank range with a druggie in a back alley. Having a hand on the revolver ready to shoot him while he ranted was extremely comforting. And as far as he could tell, I was just keeping my hand warm. Drawing is a simple push if my trigger finger to clear the leather, come up and start shooting. I've practiced many times and it's the fastest draw I have.
230, if your move to your iron was sufficient to end the encounter, that's great--BUT IT ALSO MEANS IT WAS NOT COVERT! Take a look at this video from the street next to where I work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k93lgHSPEkU
Just a bit into the video, you'll see a bystander who's packing go for his IWB piece. And it's just as obvious that he's packing as it is that the other guys are drunks. There's nothing remotely "covert" about pushing aside your jacket and reaching for something special at 4 o'clock on your belt. If the other guy is intending to shoot you, that's his cue to do it fast.
In this case she had loose pockets, but perhaps not as loose as they should have been. Then again, she wasn't wearing a covering shirt and beltline carry would have tricky without open carry. So she did what she could given her circumstances. Women have a very different hip shape than men, and the curves make it much more challenging to conceal a handgun around a belt. Their belts are also very different from the big leather ones men can get away with wearing.
In short, no concealed carry method is perfect, and we need many options available to find the right balance for our own lives and situations. Leave the dogma behind.
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