Hot 10mm loads - current discussion....

XTP 200grn jhp's: good expansion & deep penetration=large permanent wound cavity.

I've had good luck with DoubleTap, though I admittedly have not hunted or taken a bear with my 10 mm.

Double Tap advertises 1300 fps with 200gr hardcast. My chronograps says 1315fps. That is close enough for me.

The powder you want is 800x. It will give you more velocity and is easier on the brass. I get the 1300 + velocities out of my 45 super with it as well. I do not mind the montana gold for reloading...I use lots of them. There 55 g .223 is far more accurate than winchester fmj bullets.

Could anyone tell me where to find DoubleTap Gold Dots? On their website all I see is regular JHP and Controlled Expanse?

Right now you can't find GD DT loads. Speer decided to not allow others to use their bullets to be loaded and sold by others...or at least they are making it more difficult.

Ahh I see. What would you go with in terms a defensive round from DT? Does the XTP have too much penetration?

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I have never heard of Swampfox, but they definitley do not offer the hotloaded hardcast ammo that would be appropriate for bear, which both BB and DT do, in many calibers. And Swampfox does not seem to be any cheaper than DT. I am not against Swampfox, but they have a ways to go before they are offering anything to compete with Doubletap.

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I do offer a 10mm round and other calibers, that are effective on large game, bears etc, It's not hard cast, It's a 200gr Hornady FMJ flat point. In my opinion, a better bullet for bear than a hard cast bullet.

http://www.swampfoxgunworks.com/swampfox/product.php?productid=17588&cat=347&page=1

They are cheaper than DT and BB

I'm not really trying to compete against DT or BB, I just offer a product that meets a requirement and price it the best I can.

Somethings working, I've sold alot of them

Ahh I see. What would you go with in terms a defensive round from DT? Does the XTP have too much penetration?

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The 180 gr Nosler JHP load should be more than adequate. I haven't seen the gel results for it. The results for the 135 gr Nosler are impressive, but I prefer more penetration than that. I've always hung around the upper end of the weight spectrum in the 10mm because I generally prefer heavy for caliber bullets in most calibers, and I feel that is where the 10mm has the biggest advantage over the .40--bullet weights of 180 grs and higher. A 180 gr Nosler JHP at ~1300 fps should do the trick:

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=381

In my Glock 20 I use the Hornady 200gr XTP and it shoots some really tight groups but my Glock 29 likes the Winchester 175 gr Silver tip. I have a Dan Wesson / CZ CBOB that will shoot factory ammo & my crappy reloads well but my favorite 10mm is my Para Ordnance P-16 Limited that I had reamed out to 10mm. The fullsize 1911 package in 10mm is hard to beat and it shoots everything well.

My buddie used a chrono with swamp fox (real gold dots ) 180 gr at 1380 (avg).

I do offer a 10mm round and other calibers, that are effective on large game, bears etc, It's not hard cast, It's a 200gr Hornady FMJ flat point. In my opinion, a better bullet for bear than a hard cast bullet.

http://www.swampfoxgunworks.com/swam...cat=347&page=1

They are cheaper than DT and BB

I'm not really trying to compete against DT or BB, I just offer a product that meets a requirement and price it the best I can.

Somethings working, I've sold alot of them

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welcome! good to see you joined, my friend.

i am a recipient of your awesome 10mm ammo (as you can prob tell from my previous posts), and it rocks!

Thank You

No, Thank you

i've heard that using heavier wolff springs with your glock10mm's will increase bullet velocity by slowing down the barrel unlocking process during firing. thus keeping more pressure behind the bullet.

any truth to this? i have a wolff 21lb spring in my g29.

i've heard that using heavier wolff springs with your glock10mm's will increase bullet velocity by slowing down the barrel unlocking process during firing. thus keeping more pressure behind the bullet.

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Sorta. It reduces the spread which can vary 50-100fps if it opens easily, which on some shots obviously means it will be slightly faster.

Ideally the spring you choose should be soft enough that all of the recoil is not instantly absorbed by the shooter (the strongest spring that reliably functions means less recoil is absorbed by the action and more by your wrists) and hard enough to keep it locked until pressure has fallen. Too hard will also increase muzzle rise.
Softer springs allow use of a wider spectrum of loads.
Too soft and you can feel the action more like a pendulum snapping all the way back too hard (which also gives more muzzle rise.) Which beats up the gun more.


The perfect spring for a given load gives the least felt recoil and muzzle rise. It is not critical for function to have it perfect though.
One of the great things about the 10mm is the ability to use a very wide spectrum of loads, but if you are primarily going to be using the upper power limits with heavy bullet weights then a spring setup dedicated to that could be worthwhile.



People shouldn't overdo it in the quest for the highest power rounds though, there is yet other calibers if you really want to go higher. Rounds just short of kabooming will kaboom in less than perfect firing conditions. Like with some dust and moisture from being out in the wilderness on a hot day.
This is why the reloaders who insist on loading right to the point of overpressure signs and then carrying that round routinely are playing with fire.
A little margin for increased pressure adds a measure of safety if everything is not perfect.
The last thing you would want after falling down in some water or mud while being attacked by a predator is to pull your gun and have it explode in your hand because the water or dirt in the gun pushed the pressure just over the top.

^^thanks for the info!

yeah the stock spring weight is 17lbs in the g29, and i put in the wolff 21lb one. i also have the 23lb one, but haven't tried it.

the 21lb one cycle low power and high power 10mm without issue, so maybe i'll just keep it that way. it does decrease the muzzle flip noticeably as well

Ive shot aprox 300-350 rouns of Double tap through my 10mm 1911 with no issues i have a few boxes of buff bore but due to my current duty station they are going to be in the safe for a while

I tried a 22 pound spring in my G20. It slowed things down a little and made it so it wasn't as snappy as the stock spring weight, and certainly kept brass closer and easier to find. But it also increased felt recoil noticeably. In the end I went with a happy medium and put the 20 pound ISMI spring on a stainless guide rod. It works well with everything I have fed it, keeps things smooth and makes it easier to track the front sight without adding so much to the felt recoil. I'm happy with it.

O and I am not sure how I feel about a Gold Dot @ 1380 fps. I was okay with DT's published 1300 fps because Speer listed this as the highest velocity the 180 gr Gold Dot was designed to perform at, and this was the highest velocity they listed load info for. Even then there were rumors of it over expanding and folding over itself. Adding more velocity may look good on paper, I am not sure it adds to the actual performance of the round, and it could possibly be detrimental.

MTMilitiaman said:

I tried a 22 pound spring in my G20. It slowed things down a little and made it so it wasn't as snappy as the stock spring weight, and certainly kept brass closer and easier to find. But it also increased felt recoil noticeably. In the end I went with a happy medium and put the 20 pound ISMI spring on a stainless guide rod. It works well with everything I have fed it, keeps things smooth and makes it easier to track the front sight without adding so much to the felt recoil. I'm happy with it.

O and I am not sure how I feel about a Gold Dot @ 1380 fps. I was okay with DT's published 1300 fps because Speer listed this as the highest velocity the 180 gr Gold Dot was designed to perform at, and this was the highest velocity they listed load info for. Even then there were rumors of it over expanding and folding over itself. Adding more velocity may look good on paper, I am not sure it adds to the actual performance of the round, and it could possibly be detrimental.

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please send a link to that info.

For max loads for 10mm Auto, use H110/296, N110, 2400, or AA9. It is hard to bead H110/296.
Personally, if I had an urge to take the 10mm to max, I would simply pull out my LAR Grizzly in .45WinMag.
Great gun, the Grizzly...

SD Ammo Weight

What would be an appropriate loading for SD in terms of weight? 180gr? 200gr? Something else?

Georgia Arms

www.georgia-arms.com

I like all the others mentioned. I did hear no one seems to be able to get GD's so the XTP's look good as well if you can find them. I'd rather use Montana Gold bullets rather than see "out of stock"