I love the new .270 except for....

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...the synthetic stock. Two weeks after zeroing the thing in, I'm still having neck problems from what can only be described as whiplash after I rested my cheek on the stock. Mind you, the recoil on my SHOULDER is just fine. All the worry about would a .270 be too much is nothing. Unless you count my stupid NECK. :banghead: Ow. Shouldn't do that. It'll make my neck worse.

Anyway, I want to get a wood stock to replace the synthetic. I'd probably let a pro do the rebedding, especially as my understanding is that stocks frequently take a bit of tweaking with the Vanguards. Obviously I want the stock heavy rather than light. Anyone have a source they'd recommend? Custom is not totally out of the question unless they're so fru-fru as to be unaffordable. Enough weight to keep the recoil meaningless, however, is critical.

Thanks in advance.

Jan
 
Ever considered, it might not be the stock, or even shooting, rather something else, that you aggravated by funny neck positions.

Point is, I would get well then try shooting it a few more times, being aware of how you feel, before you drop the money on a new stock.

Any ways, its your neck and your money.
 
Why are you jerking your head back? sounds like a nice cheek pad may help, but i assume you have a serious flinch and are anticipating and letting it snap you back, in fear of getting scope bit.
 
Why don't you just fill the stock with some lead shot. That should give it enough weight to tame the recoil and is a lot cheaper than a new stock.
 
Get a professional to check your fit, If you are not shooting long ranges there are reduced recoil loads as well, and if that don't work get a 243 or a 6.5x55 I doubt you will even feel those :)
 
Look at Hogue overmolds. nice stock
I have one on my Howa M-1500( Howa made your gun) .308 and feel no snap. but also have a padded cheek piece on it. but thats because I prefer a tight cheek weld.
 
Um.....

Ever considered, it might not be the stock, or even shooting, rather something else, that you aggravated by funny neck positions.

Point is, I would get well then try shooting it a few more times, being aware of how you feel, before you drop the money on a new stock.

Any ways, its your neck and your money.
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Not sure what "something else" you have in mind, nor what "funny neck positions" come to mind. I shoot that rifle the same as I shoot all my other rifles. Nothing particularly funny I can think of.

Why are you jerking your head back? sounds like a nice cheek pad may help, but i assume you have a serious flinch and are anticipating and letting it snap you back, in fear of getting scope bit.
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Where on earth did you get the idea that *I* am "jerking my head back"? I have no flinch. I have no fear of scope bite, have never HAD scope bite, and I do know how to shoot. :rolleyes: You know what happens when you "assume"... A cheek pad on a nice wooden stock might indeed help. That's certainly a good possibility.

Why don't you just fill the stock with some lead shot. That should give it enough weight to tame the recoil and is a lot cheaper than a new stock.
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It is not the recoil. I already said that. The recoil, per se, is NOT THE ISSUE. It is the fact that the synthetic material "grabs" the face which caused the whiplash.

{quote]Get a professional to check your fit, If you are not shooting long ranges there are reduced recoil loads as well, and if that don't work get a 243 or a 6.5x55 I doubt you will even feel those [/quote]

:banghead::banghead::banghead: It is NOT THE RECOIL. The fit is fine. The synthetic material is NOT fine. And I *have* a .243, have hunted with it for years. With a wooden stock.

Look at Hogue overmolds. nice stock
I have one on my Howa M-1500( Howa made your gun) .308 and feel no snap. but also have a padded cheek piece on it. but thats because I prefer a tight cheek weld.
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Thanks for the idea, but I definitely want to look at a wood stock.

So does *anyone* want to take a shot at actually answering my question instead of second-guessing my skills or assessment of the problem?

Jan
 
the sythetic material is grabbing your face?
get a blackhawk shell holder to slip on the stock.
you dont neeeed a wood stock, they are typically inferior to the synthetics in the price range.
everyone has some flinch, but when focused one can prevent the flinch.
but I would reccomend spending the 10-30 dollars for a cheekpad.
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that is a blackhawk! cheekpiece shell holder with foam I cut out of an outgrown catchers chest protector slipped under it and adjusted for my face.
 
I'll take that shot, springmom. I had a (recent) wonderful experience with Stocky's Stocks when I ordered for my older 700 BDL. I went from wood to synthetic and from classic to thumbhole but all bases are covered with these guys. Here are a few ideas for yours:

http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-532/*NEW*-Heritage-Classic-Sporter/Detail

http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-334/*NEW%21*-Long-Range-Sporter/Detail

If you're looking for an inexpensive (under $100) they may have a Boyds to fit your rifle but they don't recommend them and are clearanced. Seems the finish doesn't hold up well but if you're ok with stripping and refinishing they may be just the ticket.

My other idea involves a LOT more WORK and MONEY: it is complicated. Buy some 100 grit sandpaper, masking tape (painter's blue) and a rattle can of Rust Oleum in gloss and have at that synthetic! Ok, perhaps not as difficult as rocket science but an effective sollution. You'll also need some prep pads to remove any trace of oil and of course gloves.

One note on the above links, I linked to sporter profiles, if your's is a varmint weight barrel stocks are available for those as well but the listings are separate. Simply type in Weatherby Vanguard at the top of page and search. I've got my eye on another thumbhole for a Win. 70 I bought last week and these guys will be getting the call on that as well. Informed, friendly and fast shippers.

Best of luck.
 
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A few things I neglected to mention. I would recommend pillar bedding those stocks for accuracy's sake. The synthetic might be the exception as they are more difficult to bed (your's will not bond with the epoxy or glass without additional anchoring).

Secondly, I would never second guess a woman's shooting skill or threshold for pain. I have been bested in both those departments by women. Skill is skill period. Tolerance for pain is only a factor in shooting if form is lacking (or the bore diameter of your rifle exceeds the diameter of your thumb;-).

Finally, Kick Eez makes a synthetic padded material that MAY help. They are meant to raise the cheek slightly (scope alignment will be affected in some cases) and cushon recoil. They may however have too much "grip" and leave you back at square one. Another $8 solution, I'm doing my best. They're available at MidWayUSA, just search Kick Eez and a number of products will come up from thick to thin and strips to precut.
 
The Vanguard is already the one of the heaviest production rifles made. Contrary to what many people believe most synthetic stocks weigh just as much and often more than wood. Have you actually taken the time to weigh your stock and rifle? you will probably be surprised.

Most walnut stocks weigh between 32-36 oz. Most factory synthetics weigh about the same. A laminated stock will weigh 36-40 oz. You don't say which stock you have but many newer Vanguards have Hogue's which weigh between 40-48 oz.

As JDMorris pointed out the Hogue stocks do tend to stick to the skin on your face and this could be a problem, if it is a Hogue stock. I don't see this as a problem with any other synthetic stocks

Unless you paid $500 for a new McMillan edge at 20 oz. you already have a heavy stock and rifle, so recoil from a 270 should be pretty mild.

The synthetics stocks are shaped just the same as the wood stocks and usually have better recoil pads so I don't see changing to wood helping you.

Have you considered that your scope mounting may be causing your head to be in an odd position.

Or that the neck pain could have been caused from something completely unrelated to firing your rifle.
 
A woman gets on the forum and mentions a problem and everyone immediately thinks: she's a woman...must be the shooter. :rolleyes:

Jan, I have never had that problem but I never cared too much for synthetic stocks myself (especially the "clingy" Hogue ones). The advantages on the average hunting rifle is indiscernible, and the difference is negligible even on long range hunting/informal target rifles. Boyd's makes some pretty decent stocks if you're on a tight budget. Most are laminated wood, but they have a few Walnut as well. They are also available in thumbhole style if that suits your taste/fit.

:)
 
Many thanks for the informative replies. JD, I'll check out the cheekpad you've pictured. It certainly is cheaper than a new stock, if it works. And yes, it is a very "sticky" stock. It has a wonderful recoil pad, is heavy as a ton of bricks, no recoil problem for my "weenie shoulders" :D But grab my head and snap it back and yeah, my neck is going to hurt. JMR, the scope was professionally mounted on the rifle (I'm not much for doing it myself when I can have somebody who does that stuff all day do it for me right :)) and I do have arthritis. But my neck was just fine before I shot and then it wasn't. Cause was pretty clear. AR, I will also take a look at West's work, if the cheekpad isn't enough.

And Maverick....thanks ;)

Jan
 
This may sound silly but I have put Armour-All on a couple of those tacky buttpads that remington now puts on their rifles because they are so bad about grabbing your shirt when you go to shoulder them.

Maybe a little on the cheek pad would would let it slip on your face instead of grabbing your skin. Just a thought.

Also some box tape on the cheek area to provide a little bit of slip. Its not permanent if it doesn't solve the problem. Plus it will let you know if your on the right track with the "grab" problem.
 
And Maverick....thanks
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You are very welcome...hope you find a suitable solution and have a speedy recovery. Just remember to rest the rifle on your shoulder instead of your neck next time. :neener:
 
If it's not the exaggerated position of your cheek on the stock of a rifle that has an excessively high mounted scope, meaning you may have a 'chin' weld type thing going on, and the rearward movement of the rifle tends to 'twist' your head around, you have a 'tacky' stock, or the dreaded 'sticky' stock syndrome going on.

Quick fix, a neoprene stock cover like a Beartooth Brand stockguard' should do the trick.

'www.beartooth-products.com/shop/stockguards-smoothskin/-stockguard-smoothskin-brown.html
 
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