Great Inexpensive AR rail

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DrewBegley

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I'm finally looking into getting a rail system for my AR. I'm looking for something that bridges the delta ring but is a drop-in, NOT FREEFLOAT. I'll really only be using it for a grip-pod/vertical grip and possibly a light of some sort so accuracy won't be a problem (eotech 512 or better will sit across gap at delta ring). I'm spending some good money on the optic and have already on the rifle itself so I'm not looking to cheap out on the rail but don't want a KAC for some ridiculous amount of money. Any suggestions??
 
How much is "too much money"? I have a KAC rail system, rifle length, military issue. New surplus. The bottom is KAC, but the top is P&W (you can't tell the difference though except one says KAC and the other P&W --the army owns the contract now so they can have whoever they want to build it). At any rate, you can look for the P&W version, as it is identical as KAC but may not have the brand name attached to it.

I have this one listed for $270 shipped. They go new for $350. Are they worth that? No. Are they better than the rest? Maybe. They certainly make a good rail system, and they never failed me in the army, neither the regular rails for rifle and carbine, and the free float rail I have on my .50 Beowulf ex-army test mule. All the well made accessories fit the KAC rails too. I can't say the same for everyone else, Oly for instance, who failed to heed my advice about changing the way their FF rail attaches, thus costing them a huge order for rail systems in '03 for all the SDM rifles in one or two brigades (had one bought them, the other would have followed, that is the army for 'ya) has a design that allows the rail to come loose and revolve around the barrel, not to mention the fact that many accessories just won't fit the rail! Is that worth $100? No. So really, we are back where we started.

Junk rails will affect accuracy (well, non free floating one will too...). Just because you don't have the sights on there doesn't mean it can't affect accuracy. They put weight on the barrel, that affects accuracy. They affect harmonics, and that affects accuracy. They "move" (tolerances, etc., may not be perceptible) and this affects accuracy. Bottom line, a free float handguard will shoot tighter groups at distance than will the non free floating type. The KAC mounts tightly to the weapon, it has a "claw" that grips under the ring and a cam that locks onto gas tube. It doesn't just clip on. But it still doesn't perform as well as a free floating tube.

There are so many makers today it is hard to keep up. My advice is to find a free floating one. It is worth it in the end, they cost the same to make essentially, and the markup isn't that much considering. It used to be, but not so much today. Stick to a reputable maker, not some new tactijunk maker. Right now, I've been eyeing the J&P V-Tac (about $170 I think). It is a free floating tube with slots cut at 8 different angles. This way you can mount that light between 12 and 3 o'clock, which feels better. You can mount the rails where you want them, and not have a chunky handguard overall. You said you were only mounting a few things... This might be up your alley.

If I don't go with the V-Tac, if I don't sell the KAC rail, then I will probably install a free float tube, NM type, perforate it, and modify these KAC rails to fit over that. No point in wasting such a fine piece of equipment.

Anyway, if you find you want to cough up a little more for KAC and/or have something to trade or partial trade, PM me. I'll even throw in extra rails for it, the ones they charge $20 apiece for.
 
Bridging optics... You mean putting the sight ON the rail? NEVER DO THIS!!! I wouldn't do this on a free float tube either. Keep that stuff on the receiver. The rail is for gangster grips, lasers, lights, bipods, bottleopeners, sling mounts, etc. Not optics. The laser could do to be in a better place too, but you really don't have a choice.

The top rail on rail systems is usually useless. Some people put optics on there, but they shouldn't for reliability reasons. Even my $500 KAC free float will come loose on occasion with wear, thus rendering the sight useless.

There is an exception. The full length one piece handguard rail and receiver. You can mount your optics wherever you want on that thing. And if you haven't bought the upper yet, that may be an option to consider.

BTW, that KAC rail, the non free floating one, WOULD hold a good zero on our PAQ2 lasers as long as it was installed properly and locked down. Better than I would have guessed, we were hitting chemlights at 300m firing from the hip. But I saw guys that installed their M68's on there and they didn't know about locking down the rail with loctite and such, and some of them had loose barrels to begin with. Needless to say, they couldn't hit anything with 'em.
 
I think he means mounting half of the sight on the reciever and half mounted to the forearm. This is the ultimate no no! Like mentioned above keep sights and optics on the reciever.
 
I gather he maybe doesn't want to remove the front sight post and/or, most likely and, remove the barrel. That can get costly, but if you buy from certain folks at gunshows, they sometimes do it for free to get the sale. Look for a vice or some tools nearby. I paid $150 for a barrel, and they installed by new barrel, front sight post, and my old Oly. free float guard for free.

Oh yeah, and for the problems the Oly. can have, particularly if not loctited down tight, those on a cheapo 16" M4, and it still will shoot tighter groups than the military M4 with KAC handguards.

You don't NEED to free float it, but you'd be wise to. If you don't, get something that will still work. The only ones I know of are the KAC, they are the only ones I trust in a bad situation anyway.
 
This AR build is not one for high precision, but tactical reliability, I want to bridge the gap, personally, because it looks a lot nicer to me rather than having a rail system just hanging out there (I think it looks unfinished that way, again personal view). I have a front sight tower and plan on sticking with it in this build and already have a troy dioptic rear BUIS and just received my EO-552 so I'm good to go, just wanted what other people reccomend. I'm not looking to buy YOUR rail, just wanted some input on what everyone thinks is the best option, I know the junk UTG and companies of that sort sell and am definitely staying away from there and there is no point in shelling out 350 bucks for a rail that does the overall same job as one from troy for 125 at my local gunshop.
 
I'm not looking to buy YOUR rail
Nor would I want you to. I was just curious as to why a float tube was out. You seem to have you mind made up so I hope you find what works best for you.

I gather he maybe doesn't want to remove the front sight post and/or, most likely and, remove the barrel.
That is a good point. I forget not everyone has access to the right tools.
 
I was just curious as to why a float tube was out.
Sounds like he's not out for ultimate accuracy, so why the extra expense and hassle of a free floater?

I had a spare AR that I turned into a HD gun (fire sales on accessories around Christmas) and went with the Midwest Industries similar to the one previously referenced-mine is apparently the 1st generation-it does not have the bridge.

Quality seems fine-I've beat on it a bit to see if anything moves and it seems rock solid, but I do have my EOTech mounted on the receiver. MI seemed to get good reviews, and looking at pictures of some online, it seems the rails on the Midwest didn't protrude as much as some, or more accurately, the non-railed part was fatter making for more of a round profile-this was strictly looking at head-on pictures at sites as I had no way to get my hands on 'em.

If you can live without the bridge, I got mine @ Dynamic Armament for $109.
 
I'll have to check when I get home, but I think the AA model EOTechs can bridge the gap a bit because most of the battery compartment doesn't actually contact the rail.
 
I want to bridge the gap, personally, because it looks a lot nicer to me

I think you'll find your groups will suffer for this, but the fix will be easy, if not as appealing to the eye.
 
I know the junk UTG

Got those rails on 3 of my rifles. They work just fine. They just weigh more. So unless you are going into combat or carrying your rifle all day every day they will work fine. Its the errornet that has given them a bad rap simply on heresay. I've actually never read a bad review just bad opinions. For that matter UTG has moved some of their production to the USA. That fact was advertised in last months Shotgun News.
 
I know about UTGs move to America, but I still don't trust the company from past experience, I've seen them crack and rattle and though every day isn't combat for me, the one day that is combat is worthy of a higher quality rail system. I also didn't mean that I am mounting anything over the gap, I just like the look of the gap bridged by a rail, my Eotech will all fit over my receiver since I've heard and witnessed bad grouping by doing so.
 
Also, does anybody know about the SureFire rail, I've seen a few guys at the square range with it/them and a couple in the field. Any good news on it?
 
Sorry if someone already mentioned this and I missed it, but the Daniel Defense Omega rail is really quite nice. I know it's a float, but its 2 piece, no hassle installation, bridges the delta ring and tightens up really nice. Incidentally, it comes with blue lock tight on the threads of the small allen head set screws that attach to the upper. Very nice, light weight and excellent quality. Just my $.02.

https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/omega-rail/omega-rail-7-0-carbine.html
 
If your not hanging things and using all the rail space or free floating the barrel then it's hard to be the magpul moe handguard. It's not going to fill that gap but if you can get over that aesthetic it's a fantastic handguard for the price.

Personally for me I don't see the point in adding the weight and cost of a quad rail unless your going to ff it and use more rail space then say a light and vert grip would take up. Ymmv
 
I really want the look of a quad rail. I think the magpul stuff is OK but I don't rely on plastic: personal preference. Plus, I'm sure I'll eventually use the rail space and don't like adding rails to a blank plastic handguard when I can get one ready to go. All boils down to I don't like the look of plastic Magpul parts.
 
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