One Dillon 650, or several Lee Loadmasters?

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Competition shooters can burn up more ammo in a month than many folks will shoot in a year. I am not at all surprised to learn their need is best met by the highest volume (and also highest price) presses, namely Dillon.

I would frankly be stunned to learn someone shooting 1000+ rounds a week was using a single stage or a $30 Lee whack-a-mole Loader.
 
I own a Dillon... do I qualify for the World Chamionship?


Are those real numbers or internet folk lore? If they are accurate that really says something!

All you have to do to qualify for the world championship is shoot any two other sanctioned matches in the last year. The numbers are real, they come from the survey every shooter fills out to get a "prize bag". There are not a lot of "action" style competition shooters that reload to relax or as a hobby. Getting it done quickly without a lot of jams or other things not working, it what we look for. In that respect Dillon has earned the # 1 spot, for now.

The really telling part is that IDPA boasts in the rule book that it's about "real world" and practicle defence ammunition, while top shooters don't follow that idea.
 
How many rounds do you shoot per year?

I did seen anyone ask how many rounds the OP runs per year. I have Dillon 650s with case feeders for long runs and LNL without case feeder for 101 to 500 rounds per run.

The calibers listed by the OP allow the use of RCBS Lockout dies in station 3 of the LNL so he would have decent safety on the LNL that you can't do on the 550.

The change overs on the 650's are pricey and time consuming. I know someone will argue the point but I dedicate powder measures for regular runs on the LNLs instead on adjusting the station. One the other hand, once the change over is checked, the machine requires essentially no adjustment.

I've had a couple Loadmasters come through the shop - both from guys who wanted to spend more time shooting than loading. Both tried the 650 and the LNL and both bought the LNL with case feeder. Both are happy.

Hope this helps.
Scott
 
Shooting 500 rounds each of several calibers during a weekend with the wife and friends will be pretty normal after getting a good press. I will prefer to load 1000 of each caliber at a time, to save time on changeovers, and primers and projectiles come 1K at a time anyway.

I don't reload any rifle ammo, but that doesn't rule out that I never will, down the road.

Within reason, cost isn't a huge deciding factor. I can set aside a grand to get a press and its accesories. I already tumble with stainless, and have well over 1000 rounds of clean brass for each caliber.

Main focus is ease of use, less time for caliber changes, reliability....
 
So buy ONE Loadmaster and see if it agrees with you. If so then buy the others.

That's not a bad idea. I have a loadmaster and i never have problems with mine, but there are a lot of folks whom seem to, but whether they can't comprehend an instruction pamphlet or there is serious QC issues at Lee i don't know, but mine just keeps on running smoothly and spitting out the ammo.
 
I can make more ammo with a 650, in one hour, than you could on 4 load masters (1000 of them for that matter).

How do you figure? i can load 200 primers in my loadmaster tray and fill the case collator and already have a box of ammo loaded before you could even fill the primer tube unless you have one of those expensive primer tube filler thingy's, but still if i had 4 LM's set up with 200 primers in each tray and four case collators full of cases there is no way you could load 1000 rounds before me. It takes about 7 minutes (or less) to load 100 rounds on the LM if you are trying for speed so that's 200 rounds in 14 minutes without having to add primers. Even if the 650 will load them faster you would still have to stop after 100 rounds to add primers. Or were you just insulting the OP's intelligence?
 
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How do you figure? i can load 200 primers in my loadmaster tray and fill the case collator and already have a box of ammo loaded before you could even fill the primer tube unless you have one of those expensive primer tube filler thingy's, but still if i had 4 LM's set up with 200 primers in each tray and four case collators full of cases there is no way you could load 1000 rounds before me. It takes about 7 minutes (or less) to load 100 rounds on the LM if you are trying for speed so that's 200 rounds in 14 minutes without having to add primers. Even if the 650 will load them faster you would still have to stop after 100 rounds to add primers. Or were you just insulting the OP's intelligence?

No insult, this is TheHighRoad.

This is what a Dillon looks like loading 100 (rifle) rounds in 2.5 minutes.

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My 650's can load my pistol rounds just as fast.

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I do have the primer fillers as well but that's not really the point.

Owning or having owned machines made by Lee, RCBS, Hornady and Dillon for metalic reloading I can assure you over 1000 rounds the Dillons will have less malfunctions than any Lee progressive I have ever owned or seen in action.
 
Red Cent,
Thanks for the data:

Consider something.

International Defensive Pistol Association (magazine)
Fourth Quarter 2011
Volume 15 - Issue 4

Reloading presses used by shooters in the World Championship
Dillon - 185
Hornady - 9
Lee - 6
Lyman - 1
RCBS - 9
Redding - 1
Safariland - 1 (I have no idea either)

I am going to show this to my brother a Red State inhabitant.
 
You could always get (4) SDBs... used prices are comparable to new Loadmasters, and if you're looking to compare longevity my bet is on the guaranteed-for-life SDB.

Just an idea.
-StaTiK-
 
Still failing to understand why someone new to reloading should be advised to get four of ANYTHING...

Again - get one press that works well, and get multiples if you have needs down the road. If you find that a particular press takes too long (or costs too much) to change calibers/primer sizes, get one that DOESNT have that problem.

thorn
 
My 650's can load my pistol rounds just as fast.

If you can do 100 rounds in 2.5 minutes you can definitely get it done quicker than i could, but i wonder how consistent your powder charges would be at such a rate? after all it does have to flow to get into the case.

Owning or having owned machines made by Lee, RCBS, Hornady and Dillon for metalic reloading I can assure you over 1000 rounds the Dillons will have less malfunctions than any Lee progressive I have ever owned or seen in action.

If i had just one malfunction in only 1000 rounds with my loadmaster i would consider it one too many.
 
In the car analogy I don't 'need' an Aston Martin just to go 2 miles to the grocery store once a week....

The Aston Martin is far less likely to leave you stranded at the grocery store than a Yugo.

I have a loadmaster and i never have problems with mine, but there are a lot of folks whom seem to, but whether they can't comprehend an instruction pamphlet or there is serious QC issues at Lee i don't know, but mine just keeps on running smoothly and spitting out the ammo.

That would make about 80 percent of Lee owners, um, not very bright.
 
If you can do 100 rounds in 2.5 minutes you can definitely get it done quicker than i could, but i wonder how consistent your powder charges would be at such a rate? after all it does have to flow to get into the case.

I knew that or I wouldn't have posted such a definitive statement. Powder flows fine at that speed even using 20+ grain charges into a small 223 case mouth, although I don't use extruded powders. Small charges into pistol cases are not an issue.

As for consistent, most all of the pistol ammunition I have loaded this last year was for IDPA competition and I placed high overall in 29 out of 33 matches. One of them (MVSA regional) shooting CDP and the field had 3 Distinguished Masters in various divisions.


If i had just one malfunction in only 1000 rounds with my loadmaster i would consider it one too many.

Myself and others I know who have owned Lee progressives would say you are extreamly lucky. I have never heard that from a Lee owner before.
 
I had, at one time, three Lee 1000s on the bench.I learned how to make them operate efficiently. For a while. I spent some time keeping the powder blown away, keeping the primer slide clean, and adjusting that plastic gear for proper timing.
The Lee is not junk. It is made cheaply. You would think they would do a primer tube or something like it.

Then I went to Dillon. I hve never owned a RCBS or a (or is it an) Hornady and I probably won't. I made a choice and it cannot get better than this :cool:.

Loading small (and large) cases on the Dillon, or for that matter any reloader, can be remedied by attaching a fish aerator to the powder tube. I was shown this by a reloader in 2000 and I have them on mine. No bridging.
 
Hey folks,

Having neither Dillon 650 nor Lee Loadmaster, I am afraid I am unable to load 100 rounds in 2.5 minutes. In fact, I cannot imagine loading 100 rounds in 2.5 minutes. I like the idea of loading a finished round each time I cycle the press handle, but to load 100 rounds in 2.5 minutes means a complete cycle of the handle every 1.5 seconds. Every 1.5 seconds!!!

I must be out of touch with reality. I cannot imagine the idea of cycling my press handle every 1.5 seconds. Quite frankly, that is just too much like work. I enjoy reloading. It is a pleasurable experience for me. I do not do it with the goal of getting done as quickly as possible. I enjoy watching the machine as it cycles the cases around the stations, I like to place a new case in the first station and place a bullet atop another case before the next cycle of the handle. I feel the primer seat in the primer pocket, and I look in the case that was just charged to make sure it has powder. I sometimes look at the finished round after it is ejected from the shell plate.

I simply cannot do all those things in 1.5 seconds, and worse yet, I cannot imagine why folks strive to do so. Call me old, call me silly, but I did not buy a progressive press to get in a race to see how fast I can load a round of ammo. Like I said earlier, I really like the idea of completing a finished round with each cycle of the handle, but beyond that, I really do not care if my handle cycle takes 1.5 seconds or 15 seconds. I guess I should really be ashamed to admit I frequently use a single stage press to do some of my reloading.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
DW, here is one old timer also. I live to shoot but I don't have a passion for reloading. I have too much going on and I don't want to spend the time at the bench. Home practice, dryfire, transitions need more time than handloading. Other than the season (now) I shoot 5-6 times every month. I load for lever rifle, SA revolver, semi-auto pistol, and shotgun.
jmorris has a number of active reloaders on his bench as do I. I don't think he is always in a race. But the Dillon will run.

I gotta get better with those Safariland Comp IIIs.
 
Bought a loadmaster and spent 3 SOLID DAYS trying to get it adjusted so it would work for more than 5 continuous rounds. I never succeeded. Boxed it up, sent it back, and bought the Dillon 550. 2-3 hours to bolt it on the strong mount, install on my bench, and set up to load without issue. No contest--Dillon all the way.

I do still use a lot of Lee products, but I always recommend to stay far away from their so-called "progressives".
 
Jmorris,
What kind of bullet feeder are you using?
Thanks!

KISS on the 1050 and GSI'S on the 650's.

I will admit I don't load all the time at that rate but it can be done. I also have the 1050 autodriven now. However, this last year I have loaded almost all of my match ammo the morning of the match, instead of "stockpiling" thinking I will finish my new bench "next week". So the jam free speed has been extra nice.

I also still use single stage and turret presses as well but not for very large quanities. They all have their uses, I understand that quite well.
 
Does the OP plan to load and shoot as many rounds as a competitor in the World Championship?

A list of presses used by world champion shooters could be entirely irrelevant for an average joe. He may not have the same quantity/time constraints, the pro's might be sponsored and therefore given a press as advertising for a manufacturer, some manufacturers have made progressive presses longer and will therefore have a heavier representation in the group from that aspect alone. Lots of details need to be considered.
 
I do not want to sound like a Go Blue Fan boy so I will say please consider the Hornady LOL or the Dillon 650 WAY before even thinking about the Lee. As you have heard from those that have worked with these "cheaply" made machines, they just require a lot of tinkering to keep them running.

Start with ONE Hornady or Dillon 650 in small or large primer and consider adding another at some future date in the other primer. Very nice set up that way.

A very interesting read comparing Lee Hornady and Dillon reloading presses:
Dillon vs Lee vs Hornady or "How I spent my Winter Vacation"

http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.pdf

Another real nice source for visual information is from http://ultimatereloader.com/
Gavin has extensive YouTube videos on the Dillon 650 and the Hornady LOL systems. Both excellent.
 
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