Taurus: your verdict on Taurus auto-loaders.

Point is that there are militaries and police overseas who have or do use Taurus guns. In laarge numbers. These agencies would not have picked something sub par for their forces and have not.

Israel has used them and in some cases still has them. Of course a lot of these guns are no being replaced because they are updating to newer types.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/p...3542-taurus-p92-armies-police-forces-use.html

There you go. Military use of the PT92,etc.

Oh,yes. I've always been weregunner here.

If you take a look at the first link that I posted the yeses outnumbered the nays by a lot.

A lot of the supposed Taurus nays have no real experience with Taurus or questionable use at best.

The poll here has 164 for and 64 against. Unscientific at best at that. This is only one gun forum.

Have not YET seen the actual verifiable data about Taurus. Where is it?

Anecdotal 2nd hand on down does not count.

Claims of gunshop claims are not viable and able to be verified.

Either that or these gun stores that sell Taurus are not to be trusted to sell anything if the Taurus is actually bad. If it were true. It's unethical and immoral to stick the public. Selling crap means the shops are going to close soon or would not be open now.

That means stores like Davidson's needs to be shut down know if that's the case.

Cylinder and Slide Inc of gunsmith fame works on Taurus. That's one of the links. Surprise,surprise.

www.cylinder-slide.com/

Online gun auctions allowing sub-par guns is also unethical and immoral. Time to shut down Gun Broker ,Gun Auctions.com, GunsAmerica, and all the other ones.

Guess we shut them all down because they sell Taurus.

Oh,yeah. Taurus wouldn't be selling like hot cakes at these places much less be able to make a profit. I've been watching the three mentioned online auction houses inventories going down like boulder over a cliff.

No problems there.

If so the sellers would be getting incoming complaints and negative feedback that would overwhelm them. It isn't happening.

72% of respondents here like Taurus.That leaves 28% that don't and can't give verifiable overall data.

One bad experience does not broad brush stroke a company.

I can send you S&W aficianados into fits.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-revolvers/8307-taurus-vs-s-w.html


With that I can make the claim that ALL S&W guns are garbage. They have to be. The data support it to follow "conventional wisdom" logic and follow it through to its end.

Is it true? Just using your line of "reasoning" to its final conclusion.

No,not really true that S&W makes all crap. Of course you can see all the S&W recalls and know that it did not take long for the 620 and 619 to hit the skids. Having the barrel shroud that if removal is not done right can ruin things for th owner did not help sales.Yeah, the 619&620 were not recalled. Those are poor replacements for the model 19,65, and 66 in my opinion.

There are enough S&W complaints in the archives or recent threads if you want to go that way.

I notice that a lot of the Taurus positive threads are ignored as well.

If you make the claim that those are not numerous you better bring the proof from the archives here to prove it. I can bring hundreds of pages on the various individual Taurus positive experience to this thread as proof.

I can go into these archives and do about the same thing.

Actually Taurus and the other gun makers are going to sell boat loads of good guns for the foreseeable future. It matters not really what the anti crowd says. After all, I am retired from the military service.

Compared to the people out there buying guns anything written at any gun forum is going to have little to no impact on the sales of the company anyway.

Do what you will. I'll be out having a ball with my over 40 Tauri by themselves, Beretta guns, Springfield, Rugers,SIGs, NAA, and Glock guns. They all work and continue to. No problems.

If someone wants real world data on how a certain brand of guns works I'll give them that data if I know where it is.

I have two Taurus 1911's

and have nothing but praise for them. I only took the second option because I don't like the look of most of their autos. If money allows this year I will be buying another 1911 from them in 9mm. I understand that teir 9mm 1911's very well with all types of ammo not just FMJ like my RIA.

To the OP, you could ask the same question, "Why do people keep buying Taurus products?", of Kimber or some of the the other manufactures out there. Kimber put out a lot of lemons for a while, and occasionally still does, but people keep buying them despite the fact that they cost 2-3 times as much as a Taurus. If Taurus made their 1911's in a commander size and officer size with the option of lightweight frames, I would own 7 Taurus guns instead of the five Kimbers I own, maybe.

I love Taurus Revolvers, they are a 10/10. Any other type of gun they make is average to substandard. My experience with any of there auto-loaders is that they jam ALOT.

good for Peru
tell Taurus to send them all there, maybe the Peruvians will bother to QC inspect 'em before reselling them

I would never try to blame my shortcomings on my hardware, but in this case, I do not need to. Both my Taurus revolvers that I had out west always functioned flawlessly.

good for Peru
tell Taurus to send them all there, maybe the Peruvians will bother to QC inspect 'em before reselling them__________________

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Now THAT, sir, is nothing more than sour grapes. If you can't refute it, insult it.

Brazilian military/LEO uses a lot of guns made by the Brazilian gun company that pretty much owns the entire Brazilian gun market and has for many decades.. wow
my gosh, who ever woulda' thunk it...
(does INA even still exist ??)

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More trash talk, without a shred of common sense in it. Beretta built their P92's there in the 1970s. The contract FINISHED in 1980. Unless you think that the Brazilian military just chucked them all that same year, it gives lie to your statement. FYI, IMBEL still produces handguns in Brazil, as well. Then, Argentine imports Bersa there. In the past decade S&W, Colt, Ruger, Savage, Remington, Winchester, and Mossberg all imported tens of thousands of handguns and long guns to Brazil.

Is that at all different from American military requirements that any handguns used by them be manufactured in America? Large Police Agencies often require the same. So, would the following statement be any different than yours?

American military/LEO uses a lot of guns made by American gun companies that pretty much own the entire American gun market, and have for many decades.......wow, my gosh, who ever woulda' thunk it.

One of the reasons why Glock isn't the military's firearm is that they are not built here. Rather, they are assembled from parts manufactured in Austria. Both Beretta and Sig were REQUIRED to build plants here to accept the military contract. Perhaps you think that Colt, S&W, Sig, Glock, and Beretta would jump at the chance to build plants in Brazil for a small contract?

BY the way, as it stands now, weregunner is correct. In the list of choices given, the guns were to be graded as Excellent, Good, Average, Fair, or Poor. Of those choices the first three would all meet the idea of "as good as", or "better than". The lower of the choices would be indicative of "less than average".

Accordingly, 72.23% feel that the guns are average to excellent. 27.78% feel that they are below average.

Should one wish to throw-out "average", which voids normal statistical analysis procedures, the figures would still rate as 43.17% listing as good or excellent, as compared to 27.78% as fair or poor. In such a dis-honest comparison, I'm willing to bet that any gun company would mirror the results. Even then the good is more nearly twice the bad.

all I really really want to know is how the Somalians feel about 'em
(and what brand do the police in Monaco most favor ??)

you reckon maybe weregunner or Qwiks draw would know ?
next time you fellows get together over yonder on taurusarmed.net, do a poll for us, please, and be sure to paste the results up over here

thanks

I own a model 66 revolver. So far so good. The shop I bought it from stopped selling Taurus period. Too many returns. He didn't elaborate on what the problems were but he did say "all kinds of issues", mainly with the semi's.

"What are three things Taurus can do to get you to pick Taurus as your primary weapon with confidence?"

That was the summary line of a well written OP post, aka the purpose of this thread. (I think el G is aware of composition, myself, but that's just me)

As usual, 115 posts later, this one is pretty badly frayed. I don't know who el G is, but might just might be somebody looking for a serious answer to that very reasonable question, that could impact, however slightly, how Taurus views their market. Probably not, but could be.

Neither 67 links to taurusarmed.net, nor S&Warmed.net nor Glockarmed.net, are likely to get their attention, no matter how extreme low the likelihood of this one getting their attention. They probably have already noticed the demographics on branded gun forums. Me, I rather doubt the-powers-that-be at Taurus truly believe that there is a VAST INTERNET CONSPIRACY, but I wouldn't know.

There really are some here, including self, who used to think that although Taurus never was the very best money can buy at any price, they really were (arguably) the best ROI investment in bang-for-buck in the handgun marketplace. Many here never had that hands on 1st person valid experience. Many here have not yet owned a real recent manufacture vintage Taurus. Some like myself, have reason to have faith in many of their older vintage guns, and we ain't selling ours; but some of us have very valid 1st person experience with newer Taurus handguns which put the taste of "sour grapes" in our own mouth.

I bemoan the bygone days when S&W, Colt, and Dan Wesson used to care a LOT, and strive mightily to be best in quality, for you as "your primary weapon with confidence".
I want Taurus to succeed, I want to see the day I can again say," Taurus qualifies for me". It used to. I want to see that day again. Even a pre-Taurus Rossi 38 revolver in truck to ride along with me qualifies for me; a same era S&W it ain't, but I trust it, not on "name", but because it's been shot a lot by me. I have have faith it will go bang and hit where I aim it if/when it really matters. Call me a gun snob. I can make do with most anything that mostly goes bang for fun come range day, but for 'primary carry' I want more.

There is far too little competition in the marketplace.

Which is why S&W gets the prices they do (which they some times do deserve and sometimes do not). Which is why Ruger has made quite a comeback in the middle ground, though their quality never did really worry me too much, then or now. Color me happy to see that. Most of which impacts the revolver market far more than the autoloader market, IMO, because there is no real shortage of competition today in autoloaders. That is a good thing, no matter your favorite flavor.

I already answered the question I think most germane to this thread way up front here.

What will NOT make me a born again believer is -
1) cutesy names engraved on the gun
2) a CEO who brags about Taurus' new/different inception-to-shelf-space SHORT timeline, in print
3) whatever it is that the Peruvians prefer
4) branded gun forum links
5) reports from folks like me who have had great success with decades old Taurus handguns

In the meantime, I will just have to be counted in the Vast Internet Conspiracy to destroy competition in the marketplace.
("just because you are paranoid, that don't mean they/we ain't out to get you" ??)

PS
if you choose Taurus as your primary carry, you should matter to Taurus
for some here, they need do nothing, fair enough
for those of us who do not, we ought matter too
the more competition the better, and the better the quality of competition, we all win

trash talk, mebbe so

sorry about all those edits, people, happens every time
(I do strive not to change intent of message, though)

I am the reason my sweet old silver haired daddy (ex WWII paratrooper) used to say "two hands for beginners, son"
I still use two hands on a handgun, and I still am the sloppiest excuse ever was for a "skill" shooter... but I never have mastered but one finger and one thumb on opposite hands for keyboards

I carry one daily

Let's face it there are always going to be the gun snobs out there that if it isn't a Glock,Sig,Kimber or something that costs big money, well then it can't be any good.The fact is that Taurus has been in business a long time. If you talk to anyone they'll tell you how bad their Glock,or Kahr or whatever was. The fact of the matter is that Taurus makes a nice weapon and they have been for over 40 years. I personally own a PT145 Pro. I carry it daily in my work in armored security. It functions flawlessly,is very accurate and it offers a nice combination of quality, and price.

Overall I think Taurus is average.
I got 2 gems though...

MY 709 Slim is a wonderful gun, cycles everything from CCI shotshells to 147gr+P HST's with the utmost reliability.

my TCP hasn't had that many rounds through it, 200 or so, but so far it is proving to be amazingly reliable.

It is not that they sell some bad guns! That can happen to any Co.! The problem is Taurus willnot honor its LIFE TIME WARRENTY! Their C.S.department is full of jerks &fools! They acted like they had no gun knowledge at all! After sending a Mill.Pro pt 145 back that I received as a preasent,7 times &being told it worked for them,but I & the other 8 people that could not get it to work were not shooting it right, I let it go back to LGS at a loss! It would not fire at all! Until I receive my money back or a working gun from Taurus, I will never trust them agin! And I will suggest that no one buy from them!

I've owned a Taurus pt 140 pro that dropped mags every shot and a tcp that tore up rounds when chambering them. I got rid of both and now carry a sig 229 that always performs. I know Taurus has great cs but that don't mean anything when your gun breaks and your dead. ( although I guess next of kin could always get it fixed)

I agree gofastman on the TCP. I've now got 200 trouble rounds through mine. Mostly FMJ but just ran a box of Gold Dots through it and it ate them fine. 100% so far for this pistol. The $199 price tag drew me in but this gun is fun, accurate for what it is and reliable.

This was my first Taurus.