Critical Duty 9mm

So, do you have any references?

Clearly as it pertains to the intended target. In those cases it was a matter of collateral damage to other than intended that was the key. Yes over-penetration occurs, another basic safety rule we are taught about what lies beyond your target. Another reason to train and prepare for that scenario. That includes expanding hollow points in some cases but again, we do not have the leisure of assumption when there are bystanders in the line of fire-the call is no shot. It's an assessment.

To reiterate, no one, save a single sarcastic post, claimed bullets expand in flight or after hitting a paper target. To say gelatin is the only valid test medium is short-sighted. How about a pig carcass or a body? If Hornady performs their tests with a valid medium eg. gelatin but does not include the velocity achieved then the test isn't valid as it pertains to your firearm. If they provide velocity then you must ascertain the velocity of your pistol with a chronograph to be certain the load will perform as stated. Whose to say the powder used isn't a slow-burning one optimized for a carbine and that a carbine wasn't the test gun? I could care less about a .45 ACP load whose bullet expands reliably at 1200 FPS if I'm only attaining 900. If no velocity is stated for testing then yes, gelatin and your pistol will achieve meaningful results.

smalls said:

If they decide to try and scrutinize your choice of bullet, they will lose that argument in court.

But you will be charged with the accidental killing, if you over penetrate and hit someone else. Yes, even if you use a JHP and it fails to expand, causing it to act like a FMJ and over penetrate.

By your way of thinking, why don't police use FMJ's?

(Answer- Over penetration issues )

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Which leads me back to the caveat of which I thought I had clearly stated--we need tests to determine if, in fact, Critical Duty ammo does or does not over-penetrate out of a short barrel pistol (I have yet to find a text or video report speaking to such). Until such time, it's all conjecture.

-Cheers

Yes, it needs to be thoroughly tested. Like more than a box through a reliable media.

More than likely most of you have seen this Critical Duty Test but just in case (at least it's entertaining/interesting/thought-provoking if nothing else):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZFZFmBKa0

-Cheers

beeb173 said:

should i be worried that these rounds wont expand from the 3" barrel of a Kel Tec PF9? I'd rather not go to a +p round.

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I will stick with the Gold Dot.

ohwell said:

I do think the Critical Defense would be more appropriate for self defense use as you would have a hard time proving you couldnt retreat in most cases when shooting through car doors or glass .

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Someone has to bring up the legal implications in any thread about ammo. So, because someone carries a bonded bullet or anything else designed to penetrate barriers, means they will automatically start shooting at car doors? I don't understand how that's relevant here.

Buy a box of critical defense to carry and save the duty as a back up or use it for practice. Problem solved.

Someone has to bring up the legal implications in any thread about ammo. So, because someone carries a bonded bullet or anything else designed to penetrate barriers, means they will automatically start shooting at car doors? I don't understand how that's relevant here.

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Its not meant to imply they will automatically use it to shoot through car doors. Its just meant to say some people wont buy ammo unless it can shoot through car doors even though it may be overkill. I'd worry more about overpenetration and whats beyond your target. The Op asked if he should be worried if this ammo will expand out of a 3 inch barrel. If something doesnt expand it normally overpenetrates.

Please post if anyone finds data resulting from a Critical Duty ballistics test via a compact CCW platform (I'm stating the obvious but I'm just sayin'). Man how I wish I lived in a rural area!

-Cheers

I find it interesting that everybody was calling our shop to see when we would get this ammo in, but now that we have it, nobody's buying it. Go figure...

WT

Want to see if it expands when fired from YOUR pistol? Shoot it into water. See - http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1159342&postcount=9

In regard to "overpenetration" - anecdotal reports almost always fail to describe the wound path of the bullet through the body. Many hits aren't "center mass" in which the bullet has a long penetration path. Many hits are along the periphery of the body in which the bullet has a short penetration path - thus a bullet that normally penetrates 8" can eaily "overpenetrate" too.