Connecticut will fall this week.

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Democracy does not mean violating the Constitution.

A gun law prohibiting common firearms is unconstitutional.

If a majority of the people want segregation, does that mean it should be legal, even though it is unConstitutional?
 
I don't live in CT so I can't vote anyone out but I can make sure that I don't send any of my money there. I haven't done the research yet but saw another post that said Ruger and Colt were headquartered there. If so, I will be sending them a letter advising them I will not be buying their products until they relocate and I encourage them to only sell limited capacity magazines to law enforcement concerns inside that state and refuse to sell any gun on the banned list to LE.
 
It IS being put to a public vote. The next time there's an election in CT, voters will render their decision in this matter. If enough voters are anti gun ban and they demand the ban be repealed, it will be. If it turns out that more CT voters are happy with the ban, then it'll stay.

Even if it is repealed after the next cycle of elections it wont mean a damn thing to the people who could not afford to register their magazines/rifles and had to get rid of them. It also wont get rid of the list that the CT goverment keeps of all gun sales through the DPS3-C forms that are going to be required for EVERY sale.

The state will reap hundreds of millions in permit fees and many guns and mags will be sold out of the state. That is all they want. Repealing the law will not give anyone back what the government forced them to dispose of.
 
"I really don't think the average politician cares one way or another about guns. He's simply trying to gauge what the public wants and then act accordingly, as he should. What we're seeing right now in the US is backlash against guns from VOTERS who are shocked by the number of mass shootings we're seeing. If you wanna get bent out of shape at something, get pissed at the people that want to ban guns, not the poor gov't that's trying its best to appease 310 million people who all seem to want something different."

Seriously? What planet have you been on? Poor gov't . I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. Open your eyes.
 
No. That's why we are a Republic, not a democracy. The government has limited powers in a Republic. The people retain all other rights and powers. In a pure democracy the people can vote themselves what ever they want. In a Republic the government can't give itself new powers. This limits the abuse of the majority on the minority. The majority cannot vote to establish a religion, confiscate property or take away other rights from the minority. In a pure democracy they could, in a Republic they can't.

That's actually a pretty interesting topic. Read the wikipedia article on our exact form of gov't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Government_and_politics

I do think, however, that this is a matter of semantics. I'm quite confident that if all ~310 million of us unanimously felt the same way about something, it would get passed, whether its in the constitution or not.

Regardless, if CT or CO passes a gun ban, its a safe bet that the majority of the citizens of that state WANTED that, and don't feel that it is a violation of the 2A (which is subject to interpretation).

CT and CO haven't "fallen". Their residents have simply chosen laws that you don't agree with.
 
Last time I checked the citizens didn't pass laws. The people chosen to REpresent us, don't in fact represent us. They seek to control us while they grow power and influence for themselves.
 
oto60 Explain Obamacare, Clintons AWB, Colorado's AWB. The majority of the people did not want this. The high on power politicians wanted this. Look at the elections after Clintons AWB then say the majority of the people wanted it. You may need to turn CNN off for a while.
 
I'm afraid I cannot offer them such, the people of that state have always been far left, and the representation they have continually defaulted too has always been marxist/leninist, or marxist/leninist leaning! One other thing, as far as our "democracy" defenders herebouts, good freaking luck voting your rights back, they are gone and they are never coming back, ever!

20+ people murdered, and you don't offer condolences because they're leftist. If you want vitriol, you got it. In the US, we have the freedom to think what we want, and to disagree with others. I think we can all agree that losing a loved one sucks, though.
 
oto60 Explain Obamacare, Clintons AWB, Colorado's AWB. The majority of the people did not want this. The high on power politicians wanted this. Look at the elections after Clintons AWB then say the majority of the people wanted it. You may need to turn CNN off for a while.

And what, turn on Fox?

Obamacare passed because we had a Democrat controlled gov't. Then in 2010, the GOP won the House back. One of the things they campaigned on was "We're going to repeal obamacare". When they got in office, they didn't do it. Later on, Romney ran for POTUS. He campaigned on "I'm going to repeal obamacare". He didn't win, nor did the GOP win enough seats to do this.

Since these elections are based on the popular vote, the only thing to conclude is that the majority DOESN'T want to repeal obamacare. If they did, the candidates wanting to repeal it would have won.
 
Please.... you want some random person from far away to give some meaningless form of compassion to an entire state because a tragedy happened to happen in that state?

Nothing justifies a blatant attemp to strip liberty and GOD GIVEN RIGHTS away from good people. And notice I didnt say law abiding people, it denotes blind adherance to LAW, reguardless of right / wrong and mans natural state of being; FREE.
 
That's actually a pretty interesting topic. Read the wikipedia article on our exact form of gov't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Government_and_politics
I do think, however, that this is a matter of semantics. I'm quite confident that if all ~310 million of us unanimously felt the same way about something, it would get passed, whether its in the constitution or not.
Regardless, if CT or CO passes a gun ban, its a safe bet that the majority of the citizens of that state WANTED that, and don't feel that it is a violation of the 2A (which is subject to interpretation).
CT and CO haven't "fallen". Their residents have simply chosen laws that you don't agree with.
I think you should read that article. It does not support your claim. Even if 100% of the populace agrees a single court ruling could throw it out.

The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy, "in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law".
All laws and governmental procedures are subject to judicial review and any law ruled in violation of the Constitution is voided.
The United States relies on representative democracy, but its system of government is much more complex than that. It is not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered.
 
Public schools, universities, statist politicians all supported by the media have CAUSED SOME of the people of CT to want this type of legislation. People are easily swayed by emotion, and the powers listed above have taken advantage of that to fulfill their anti 2A agenda.
 
You can keep ignoring me but it doesn't make your points any better. You've already proven you don't care about Freedom, living in IL.

Ignoring you? I've responded to pretty much everything you said.

Why the personal attack? I'm just trying to point out that there are people who WANT guns banned, and that we shouldn't bash the gov't for that. About a month ago, people from Newtown were marching in DC for gun control laws. What we're seeing here is the system at work. If the laws don't go in your favor, that doesn't mean the system is broken, it just means that public sentiment has gone a different direction.

Hell, if the gun control crowd fails to get their way, I'll be saying the same thing to them.
 
Please.... you want some random person from far away to give some meaningless form of compassion to an entire state because a tragedy happened to happen in that state?

Nothing justifies a blatant attemp to strip liberty and GOD GIVEN RIGHTS away from good people. And notice I didnt say law abiding people, it denotes blind adherance to LAW, reguardless of right / wrong and mans natural state of being; FREE.

Oh, I couldn't care less what he does. I'm just pointing out that comments like his will only marginalize him.

"Man's natural state" of being would be anarchy. Survival of the fittest, only the strong survive, that whole thing. I'm guessing you'd like that a whole lot less than what we've got.
 
False. Please learn how your government works. The courts are intentionally insulated from public opinion for exactly that reason.

Supreme Court justices, for example, are nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#Judicial_leanings

I believe a justice may be retiring soon, no? If this happens while obama is in office, what do you think the odds are that a right winger gets nominated?
 
Supreme Court justices, for example, are nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#Judicial_leanings

I believe a justice may be retiring soon, no? If this happens while obama is in office, what do you think the odds are that a right winger gets nominated?
Yes. Not elected or subject to what the voters want. From the link I gave you:


almost half of the cases this Term were decided unanimously, and the Justices’ voting pattern split by the political party of the president to whom they owe their appointment in fewer than seven percent of cases

Instead, the Framers created a Supreme Court that was independent from the political branches and insulated from public opinion
 
However I must add, its the leftist ideology of the past 45-years that has produced the socipathic personalities capable of such atrocities, an irrefutable truth, which is never even paid lip service.

How many Adama Lanzas did America know, or here of, prior to 1960? You reap as you sow...


The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people. Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
 
Majority, minority, democracy, republic. I'm not sure how all this figures, but what about this.
How many people do you actually know that are handicapped?
What? 1 in a hundred? 1 in 50? 1 in 10,000?

I don't know the real answer. But I can tell you this...

I own a business. And because a very small group of people demanded something, I along with other businesses had to install wheel chair accessible changes to our buildings. Including ramps, restrooms etc. If you're not familiar with it, it was called the ADA. (Americans with disabilities act)

Do you know how many people I see in wheel chairs in my business every year?
Maybe three.

Is this how a republic works?
A million people don't want something, but because 1 person does, a million must comply?

I get so confused.:banghead:

So if only 100 million of us want guns, and 200 million don't, why don't we get the win?
 
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personal attack and mouth-frothing

There it is, the namecalling. You heard something you didn't like, so out comes the "liberal" accusation.

Good night gentlemen. Go on hating the gov't. They're coming after you to take away your rights and liberties. We'll probably be enslaved by them soon. Get out now, while you still can.

By the way, now CT is going to give you the DEATH penalty for failing to register your magazines?? How dramatic!
 
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Sorry for the decent citizens of CT,

but we need to let Colt know (now & again) we will not buy their products.

STAND & FIGHT
 
Majority, minority, democracy, republic. I'm not sure how all this figures, but what about this.
How many people do you actually know that are handicapped?
What? 1 in a hundred? 1 in 50? 1 in 10,000?
I don't know the real answer. But I can tell you this...
I own a business. And because a very small group of people demanded something, I along with other businesses had to install wheel chair accessible changes to our buildings. Including ramps, restrooms etc. If you're not familiar with it, with was called the ADA. (Americans with disabilities act) Do you know how many people I see in wheel chairs in my business every year? Maybe three. Is this how a republic works?
A million people don't want something, but because 1 person does, a million must comply?
I get so confused.:banghead:
So if only 100 million of us want guns, and 200 million don't, why don't we get the win?

Because Liberty and rights are not a popularity contest. We have been winning.
ADA has been law for 23 years. You're just now getting around to compliance?
 
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