Do we need glenn beck on our side?

LawScholar said:

I think Beck is a nutball and comes off to the left a nutball, and I think they gleefully publicize him to further marginalize the right and downplay more calm, sane conservative views. I don't align with him and I don't think he makes conservatism look good.

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I'm not even very conservative, but this is pretty much true. The fact he is wacky helps a lot. He's not being persecuted or anything, he really is that nuts or going enough to act nuts and espouse the views he does for profit. He also has the effect of turning off people who do enjoy guns and favor gun rights, but just don't align on other political viewpoints. He takes it aways from being a gun issue, to being something else.

Solo said:

Such as?

I don't care if other sources say the same thing; truth is not determined by consensus and reality is not determined by power of belief. And if you want to attack the credibility of my sources for being left-leaning, fair enough

Out of pure curiosity, may I ask in direction do Glenn Beck's sources lean?


That's somewhat beside the point of whether they grant birthright citizenship to people born in those countries.

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You know darn well that that was exactly his point when he referred to anchor babies.

As for leaning, this is not a battle of opinions, it's good vs evil, pure and simple. The opposite of left leaning is truth seeking. Glenn Beck has an amazing group of investigative journalists who do a fantastic job of exposing the truth...

If Glen Beck begins to shed tears when in a middle of his emotional speeches, then you 'll know the man need s his medicine for manic depression. But in times like this when the 2 A is being attacked on all fronts, then we need people like Glen to fight for us. We need groundpounders to pound on the antigunners. Thats it...

nathan said:

If Glen Beck begins to shed tears when in a middle of his emotional speeches, then you 'll know the man need s his medicine for manic depression. But in times like this when the 2 A is being attacked on all fronts, then we need people like Glen to fight for us. We need groundpounders to pound on the antigunners. Thats it...

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Yeah, but you generally want to have standards.

robhof

I would much rather have Glen Beck than O'Riley, while I agree with much of O'Riley's talking points, he's dead wrong about guns and he's bought into the Asault rifle crap the left spews. Bill thinks that if the NRA and Legal gun owners give a little that the left will back off and we know thats a crock! We need Beck just as much as Ted Nugent, someone with enough celebrity to openly tell the truth and not be put down by the leftist Nazi's.:banghead:

robhof said:

I would much rather have Glen Beck than O'Riley, while I agree with much of O'Riley's talking points, he's dead wrong about guns and he's bought into the Asault rifle crap the left spews. Bill thinks that if the NRA and Legal gun owners give a little that the left will back off and we know thats a crock! We need Beck just as much as Ted Nugent, someone with enough celebrity to openly tell the truth and not be put down by the leftist Nazi's.:banghead:

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Leftist Nazis...you mean CommuNazis.

I'm not really sure how wacky he is. He has made a LOT of money doing what he does. I think it is a shtick, as the comics used to say.

By the way, I knew Glenn as a teenager; went to school with him and sat next to him in a class or two. Nice guy, well-spoken, and intelligent. But I certainly didn't see in him then what he purports to be now. Although I do remember seeing him on some talk shows a while ago and he was much more like the Glenn I used to know.

Make no mistake, what he does is BIG business:

http://rt.com/usa/glenn-beck-million-radio-642/

Theres a lot of right wingers who listen to G Beck's brand of America. And they are mostly gunowners. The same with hunters and rock afficionados to Ted Nugent. The reason why NRA employs them is to draw the crowd. For me, it doesnt matter who they are. What matters is we stand and fight now. The NRA is winning and if we keep standing strong, they cannot overrun us like what happened in Chosin Reservoir. We dont want to be retreating but advancing .

You know darn well that that was exactly his point when he referred to anchor babies.

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So you concede that the statement "America is the only country with birthright citizenship" is false, then.

It is good to know we agree on something.

As for leaning, this is not a battle of opinions, it's good vs evil, pure and simple. The opposite of left leaning is truth seeking. Glenn Beck has an amazing group of investigative journalists who do a fantastic job of exposing the truth...

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Which makes me wonder why they dropped the ball so badly on Houldren, then. Seriously, get a PDF of the book and check out Chapter 13.

Use the edit button.

The opposite of left leaning is truth seeking

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Really? The Left is the sum of all lies? The ultimate evil? The prince of darkness? You've gotta be kidding, or too busy rattling off slogans to look at the actions of either side of the debate carefully. Both the Leftists and Rightists (or Righteous, as I'm sure you call them) have qualities that bode ill for our firearms freedoms (among others). The fight is far more Urban/Rural based than purely political-philosophy based. Plenty of red-blooded American Republicans don't think guns should be allowed, either.

Leftist Nazis...you mean CommuNazis.

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Given how often they're referenced around here, you'd think we fought a war with them...

Idiocracy said:

We're gonna take you back, to the year 1939 when Charlie Chaplin and his nazi regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world...But then an even greater force emerged, the un...And the un, un-nazied the world - forever.

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GB is a gun owner and that's good enough for me, either we hang together or we hang separately.

Solo said:

So you concede that the statement "America is the only country with birthright citizenship" is false, then.

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Yes, that's true. But we're still the only country that gives birthright citizenship to illegals, which is what he was talking about.

Which makes me wonder why they dropped the ball so badly on Houldren, then. Seriously, get a PDF of the book and check out Chapter 13.

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You're still missing my original point, which was that the article falsely implied that Beck's statement regarding Houldren came from the book. It didn't. The book is irrelevant.

Elkins45 said:

I used to think this until he started talking about something I've very familiar with. I'm in education and I can tell you much of his recent attacks on Common Core aren't even remotely based on anything accurate. His extreme wrongness on this issue now has me questioning everything I've ever heard him talk about.

But he still is quite funny, when he isn't being weepy and overly melodramatic, which is why I started listening to him when he went into national syndication shortly after 9-11.

Do we need him on 2A? Well, we certainly need him more than we need someone like Alex Jones going on Piers Morgan and making us all look like nutbags.

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I used to be in education and agree with 90% of what he says about Common Core and education in general.

I agree he is better to have as an Allie than poster boy. Nuge the same...

Yes, that's true. But we're still the only country that gives birthright citizenship to illegals, which is what he was talking about.

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Canada does. Other less developed nations apparently do as well.

You're still missing my original point, which was that the article falsely implied that Beck's statement regarding Houldren came from the book. It didn't. The book is irrelevant.

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Ah, my mistake. I thought we were talking about whether the criticism of Houldren based on what was written in the textbook was accurate or not. I must have misread you.

Personally I see Beck as a plus, the Blaze TV is a good source and is improving, the fact is standard media is all left wing there is simply very little truth in standard TV news most of it obtained from API.

The left uses humor to marginalize conservatives it's a good weapon used in any gathering to dismiss people the group doesn't like, most of you have seen it in your work place, people tend to run with the pack.

Forty years of liberal public schools have changed America, watch CNN or any media that you like but think for yourselves.

We need Beck, Rush, Nugent, etc, while they may not speak political correct that's fine I will take someone like that over an O'reilly any day who prefers to play it safe and pretends to be enlightened.

Remember the left will never like any conservative does not matter how educated or PC they speak.

The people who do real harm to the cause are the guys who show up at political rallies with beards, T-shirts, camo, and signs with poor grammar. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with any of those things, but if we want to be taken seriously, we need more people showing up to those events looking clean cut and intelligent. Suits and ties would be ideal. Even if we ARE a bunch of red necks, looking like we are is a huge step in the wrong direction. This is a serious issue and deserves more than a casual appearance.

Any conservative that draws a large enough audience will be considered a threat by the left and demonized. I dont believe he hurts "the cause" unless he is misleading his viewers, as O'reilly does.

What's the difference between...

Rachel Maddow & Glenn Beck?
Piers Morgan & Rush Limbaugh?
MSNBC & FOXNews?

US

One tells lies we like, the other tells lies we don't like.

The TRUTH? It's getting hard to find anybody that wants to hear the truth much less someone who speaks it.