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Do we need glenn beck on our side?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Potatohead, May 5, 2013.

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  1. joeponds

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    A-Fixer,
    I'm with you 100%
     
  2. Matno

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    Seriously? I politely beg to differ. He represents those values FAR better than anyone else in the national spotlight. Please name a single traditional value he doesn't adhere to? The only reason anyone would say he is "too far right" is because so many people have jumped to the far left that "center" is now somewhere "very liberal" and "extreme liberal" used to be.
    I realize that some people are turned off by the idea of "conspiracy theorists." But if you can name a single thing where he has been wrong, I'd like hear it. (Only thing I can think of is the fact that he followed along with most of the conservative media in bashing Mitt Romney early on. By the time he realized just how truly conservative Mitt is - and admitted that he had been wrong - the damage had already been done).
     
  3. Solo

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    Honesty.

    Then allow me to supply you with another.

    And another.

    And another.

    One more.
     
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  4. mydawgg

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    Colonel kernel,

    Reading through your posts, a common theme becomes evident. You want gun control to go away and that beck or nugent are keeping it on the governmental agenda.

    They have nothing to do with the D.C. agenda. More so it is the progressive politicians that seek to undermine all that is good in this county. For them this is a 24/7 job. If they are talking global warming watch the other hand Cuz they are absolutely looking for the next angle to chip away at freedom.

    It would be awesome if we didn't have to beat the same drum over and over again but if we want freedom we must be vigilant and welcome all. Even at the time of the constitution 's inception the founders warned against complacency.
     
  5. browningguy

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    No, Beck and his ilk have done more to hurt the conservative cause than all the communists in the country combined. They show up on everyones radar as extreme right bigots, and we all get tarred with the same brush.
     
  6. Resist Evil

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    Let's see...liberals/progs/socialists/democrats/communists stand for raping my paycheck in order to facilitate baby murder, free cell phones, free food, subsidized rent, etc. for the indolent, indoctrinate our children in public warehouse camps euphemistically called public schools, support open borders, ignore the Constitution on a wholesale level, use the public propaganda media to reinforce their totalitarian message, support crony capitalism to a higher level than ever before seen, use executive orders as a means to circumvent congress, raise taxes, spend unwisely, interfere with the economy, reduce the military, and on ad infinitum and you have the temerity to declare Glenn Beck and his "ilk" have done even more damage to the conservative (American) cause?

    Appalling.
     
  7. Solo

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    Agrarian Justice vs Agrarian Law

    It gets progressively worse.
     
  8. Averageman

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    No, Beck and his ilk have done more to hurt the conservative cause than all the communists in the country combined. They show up on everyones radar as extreme right bigots, and we all get tarred with the same brush.

    Stuff he says like this right??

    “It’s why Martin Luther King marched,” he added. “It didn’t end. Why?” The answer, according to Beck, is that pro-slavery Democrats in the South tried disarming blacks because it was the last thing they could do to prevent them from truly witnessing freedom.

    Beck told the audience that Republicans and blacks ended up on the Ku Klux Klan kill list during the fight for racial equality and klansmen went door-to-door killing whites and blacks out of sheer hatred.

    “Now if you [don't] have a gun and the Klan comes knocking at your door, how is that freedom exactly?” he asked, later adding: “If the Klan or the Crips or any of the gangs coming across the border unimpeded…come knocking at my door, I might need more than six bullets, thank you.”

    Beck said that there is a “different enemy” working together that wants to disarm Americans because they know if you lose the Second Amendment, you lose the 1st, the 4th (unreasonable searches), the 5th, (right to a grand jury) the 10th (states’ rights) the 14th (slavery), the 19th (women’s voting), and then all you’ll be left with is the 16th Amendment, which is the income tax.

    ‘It Is the Man, Not the Gun’

    Beck eventually circled back to the theme of his keynote speech.

    “It is not the gun or the knife, or as Cain discovered with Abel, a rock,” he said, “but the cold heart filled with error, darkness and coldness. That is the problem.”

    He urged his audience to build others up, to teach them, to heal them. He said liberty-loving Americans will work side-by-side together for freedom; white, black, Hispanic or native-American. “It doesn’t matter,” he noted.

    “We will work together as Americans not only to preserve our rights, but the rights of our children to be safe, our wives and daughters to not be held at knife or gunpoint by a rapist and our most precious and vulnerable little ones to have the right to survive a simple walk down a city street or God forbid, survive a day public education,” Beck said to thunderous applause.

    Beck concluded his powerful keynote speech by quoting Winston Churchill, saying “we will fight your lies and we will counter them with love, peace and equal justice for all mankind.”

    No, Beck and his ilk have done more to hurt the conservative cause than all the communists in the country combined. They show up on everyones radar as extreme right bigots, and we all get tarred with the same brush.
    Yes, stuff like that is "Hurting You", right, hurting you......
    Just does us all a favor and think before you post...
     
  9. Solo

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    It's all well and good to make pretty speeches, but it is by a man's fruits that you know him. Do you gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
     
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    It's all well and good to make pretty speeches, but it is by a man's fruits that you know him. Do you gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    What do you SEE him doing wrong?
    What is Glenn Beck doing to take your gun rights away?
     
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    Any of you listen to that beacon of the left, Ed Shultz? I think there is a lot of this thread is driven by pride, jealousy, and pettyness but since we are all human why should we expect any less? Until one of you submits a video of yourself walking on water then I will hold that every man makes errors and not set a standard for others that I cannot meet myself.
     
  12. Wes B

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    Ditto

    I'd say the same for Glenn, Rush, Palin ... . They do serve a purpose of sorts.
     
  13. Solo

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    Well, apart from completely misunderstanding Thomas Paine, telling lies, and abusing the word "literally"?

    Do I need to have more?

    As hard as it may be to believe, I love more things than just guns.

    Like America.
     
  14. TanklessPro

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    +1 on this for me

    I don't know how someone could be pro-gun but not pro-constitution? I will accept and do appreciate support from any group on RKBA, but I haven't found anything yet I disagree with GB on.
     
  15. Solo

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    Strictly speaking, that's entirely possible.

    For example, if someone wanted to do away with the protections offered by the 4th and 5th amendments in the name of fighting crime, or allow torture in the name of fighting terrorism, or abridge the freedom of speech in the name of... whatever while supporting gun ownership, they would be pro-gun but not pro-constitution.
     
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  16. barnbwt

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    Actually, there is no need to target such people. The left (and I dislike the label since I think it is both inaccurate and unhelpful in describing our country's political dynamic) loves guys like Rush, LaPierre, and Beck, since they are focal points to rally the troops around.

    Our emotional opposition thrives on hatred, boogeymen, and villains to demonize. Part of the reason Obama won the nomination in '08 was that Hillary attracted too much opposition. She was far more polarizing at the time. There is a difference between charismatic leadership, and being an attack dog. The Obama/Reid Dynamic Duo is something we should really try to emulate; a gracious "straight man" leading the charge, while ruthless generals below public view crack the heads behind closed doors.

    Putting the attack dog out front while more rational minds try to negotiate does nothing but damage our bargaining position, even though it makes us look more "fearsome". If the House Republicans are truly resolved to oppose gun laws, they must do so openly, instead of trying to avoid the issue if possible out of political cowardice. The NRA and its members were strong enough to keep UBC away, but they spent a lot of "political capital" in the process, and without lawmakers' support to legitimize their resistance, it really does look like the evil NRA is subverting the system by itself to uninterested people.

    Their own self-interest? These guys are political celebrities--the equivalent of Lindsay Lohan compared to real statesmen and philosophers whose ideals our nation is supposed to be emulating. I have far more respect for lesser-known "hacks" like Neil Boortz who I've found at least has a coherent world-view, instead of the conflicted mish-mash that is the Republican/Democrat platforms.

    TCB
     
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    The anti-gun-rights crowd has ratcheted up their efforts ever since they began their agenda, and even more so every time they get slowed down or set back. It doesn't make much difference who blows our horns, they have their agenda and know they cannot defeat the the truth with their lies, so they just get louder and more emotional.

    Bombast and alligator tears will do them no good. So, do we need Glenn Beck, Rush, Sean, and Tom Gresham? Yup. There are many more minds that need to be shook from that catatonic dream land of promised safety via gun control, and shown that guns drawn are the only way to achieve any measure of safety. If anything, we need more voices and faces espousing the truth. Without them, it'll be a tougher row to hoe.

    As long as we live under a government that will not abide the Constitution, all we can do short of bloodshed is go for the truth and espouse the efficacy of an armed populace. Until government WILL abide the Constitution, public opinion needs to be - HAS to be - on the side of an armed populace.

    Let them shout.

    Woody
     
  18. Potatohead

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    Barn is gettin at what i was trying to say: glenn beck gets the other sides troops rallied more so than ours.
     
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    If nothing else, Glenn Beck is offensive. He offends me by being a self-serving jerk who bends the truth to his own ends. Nothing he says does anything to support the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, he just subtly undermines both by associating himself with their true supporters.

    Do we need him? We need him to quit pretending to speak for us.
     
  20. Matno

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    I find it more than a little ironic that someone touting honesty would cite blatantly left-leaning sources that claim to be neutral. (Politifact.com, factcheck.org, snopes.com).
    Just looking at the first 2 "arguments you cited, and they are full of holes. The first claims that Beck's statements were based on a book quoted out of context, when in fact, he had multiple sources to confirm what he said, even if the other side denied it repeatedly.
    And the countries cited in the second article fail to mention that they do NOT automatically grant citizenship to those born to parents who are there illegally. That's a big distinction that they conveniently left out. I stopped reading when I saw that the other two were from the same "honest" source... :what:
     
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    For those who think Beck is doing more harm than good, what are YOU doing? He may not be a perfect voice, but I don't hear very many other people saying what needs to be said as openly as he does.
     
  22. Solo

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    Such as?

    I don't care if other sources say the same thing; truth is not determined by consensus and reality is not determined by power of belief. And if you want to attack the credibility of my sources for being left-leaning, fair enough - although that doesn't change the words in the textbook where the authors do not advocate forced abortion and sterilization. You can download a PDF of the book if you want to take a look at it yourself.

    Out of pure curiosity, may I ask in direction do Glenn Beck's sources lean?

    If you want to tell me that Glenn Beck is right,

    Be sure of it. Give me the ocular proof
    Or by the worth of mine eternal soul
    Thou hadst been better have been born a dog
    Than answer my waked wrath!

    That's somewhat beside the point of whether they grant birthright citizenship to people born in those countries.
     
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    About as much as a hemorrhoid, though in fairness one is a painful bleeding pain the butt and the other is a hemorrhoid.
     
  24. LawScholar

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    I think Beck is a nutball and comes off to the left a nutball, and I think they gleefully publicize him to further marginalize the right and downplay more calm, sane conservative views. I don't align with him and I don't think he makes conservatism look good.
     
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    That is a perfect illustration of the worthlessness of Beck. We need doers, not talkers.

    Every time I'm at my capitol lending support to any given gun proposal, either for or against, guess how may Beckoids are there beside me? If I do a search for your nym in the Activism Forums how many hits will I get?

    Talk, talk, talk.

    What am I doing? More than Beck, and apparently more than most. Here's the thing though, my 2A activism has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the likes of Beck, fair-weather friends, or the acceptance of keyboard commandos. Your 2A activism should too.

    When Beck starts donating dollars to 2A orgs instead of words, then he might get my attention. Until then, I don't NEED him in the least.

    You need to get out more then. Every day someone writes a more compelling argument for gun ownership on just this board alone. There are literally MILLIONS of us "saying what needs to be said as openly as he does" every single day.

    Glad you could join us, better late than never.
     
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