My Range Was Ordered Closed Today

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Two thing:

1) around the time of the alleged round escaping the range there was an incident of nighttime vandalism in which the overhead covering on the rifle line and range safety signs were shot up. If a round left the range I'd bet that's when it happened. Otherwise you'd have to TRY to get a round off if this range. Also, the complaining resident didn't know when it happened from what I was told.

2) The code is ridiculous. Complying with such requirements would be tough for any range, let alone a 600 yard range on 640 acres out in the sticks. The range was around before this code change. County building codes are all but making it impossible to have a range out there these days.
 
If the range has a board of directors you should request a board meeting and get them talking to the right people.

Ask CO Division of Wildlife for help since they administer the grants programs for third party ranges. Here's the contact info for the range grant program. The gentleman can probably direct you to the overall range programs folks who can send someone out to tell the operator if they're compliant with the state requirements and EXACTLY what needs to be done WRT fencing off the minimum required area (not the entire property).

Larry Strohl
Shooting Range Grant Program Coordinator
6060 Broadway
Denver, CO 80216
Office Phone (303) 291-7346

CO has a program supporting ranges that your range needs to look into. http://wildlife.state.co.us/Hunting...nanceGrantProgram/Pages/SmallRangeGrants.aspx
 
These people are the same kind that would move next to a military base and then complain about the noise from the ranges and how the vibrations from the artillery impacts are cracking their foundation and brick walls and vibrating their windows or that the jet and helicopter noise are to loud and keep them awake. In most cases these ranges like military bases were their long before most of the houses. If they are dumb enough to buy that close to one to bad. I love hearing people complain about these things it's the perfect opportunity to publicly embarrass them.

Interesting the base has been their since the early 40's when did you build or move into your house. Here's your sign!
 
Is this the range/club involved?

http://wildlifehunters.com/index.html

Website says it's 80 acres, not 640, most 80 acre parcels are 1/4 X 1/2 mile, which would take a mile and a half of fence to surround, not 4 miles. Still....not a cheap venture. They also claim to have a waiting list for new members and current members hunt all over the world.....meaning asking to raise the membership fee probably wouldn't be a problem with most folk. While I know the range would have to be closed for a period of time until a solution is found, it seems a solution could be found......especially with some state matched grants as shown on hso's link. It seems a solution could be found, if a solution really is wanted, not only with the help of state monies, but with their expertise also. For your sake and the sake of the rest of the members I hope so. I'm not saying current building codes are acceptable or make sense. Being a builder by trade, I deal with them all the time. I also sympathize with your situation. According to the website, it seems like a great place to shoot for a yearly family membership fee of $200. I just am puzzled by the lack of communication to the members about a situation that affects them so severely.
 
Used to live in Colorado many years ago. From the news I hear, it sounds like a completely different place now. From what I gather there is a serious anti gun agenda there. A place with a history of mountain men and rugged indivualists - - - what happened ?

You might want to check out small, rural communities far from major metro areas. I don't know if its true in your state, but in most places country people have a much more reasonable attitude toward guns and shooting than the average metro dweller. Maybe you can find a range where you can do your long range rifle shooting out in the country and use the indoor ranges in the city for handgun shooting. Of course, there are also national forests to go to and shoot; check out the local regs. Good luck to you.
 
Thank you all!

I'm the Executive Officer of a local public shooting range. After reading this thread, I had about an hour long conversation with one of our state legislators, who would like to sponsor legislation here in Utah, protecting shooting ranges. He asked me to gather up some examples of range closings, which was easy, given the wealth of information you have given.

The Adams County case was very interesting, since the County Commission apparently never bothered to find out whether the round could have originated from the range. Absent that investigation, and given the fact that none of the remedies they required would have prevented the accident, my non-lawyer sense of the situation is that they acted capriciously and arbitrarily and left themselves open to legal action.

At any rate, we have an idea, we have some case studies, we have a Texas law to study, and we have a sponsor in the legislature.

BTW, we have a range staffed with volunteer Range Officers, and our club is $10 per family per day, or $60 per year. We have 10 bays, one of which is 100 yards. That alone is reason enough to love Utah!
 
i have enjoyed the comments in this section. a lot of ranges face these problems. ours went to the expense to raise and thicken the berms, put sound reducing roofs over the shooting areas ( which made the noise for the shooters worse), and putting fence all around the range to keep out unwanted people better. that and a lot more restrictions on taking guns from the vehicle to the shooting area (all of 5 feet) caused me to drop my membership in favor of shooting on my own property further away where there are no restrictions other than those imposed by safety and common sense.
what i have not seen here is the most obvious solution to noise--use of suppressors full time. no noise and better protections for our own hearing plus a little reduction in recoil for larger calibers. a common sense solution unfortunately banned by regulatory stupidity.
 
Regarding suppressors and shooting ranges...

This setup is NOT a silencer per BATFE rules, and I've heard of people building them from oil drums. They would also help with people shooting way over a berm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6nf1OgV449g#t=114s

Note: that will jump you to a part of a longer video, but it starts off showing what i'm talking about. I saw the link on another forum awhile ago.
 
ColoradoKevin,

I am sorry to hear about your range closing .

We had a similar situation occur nearby. Established private shooting range of 25 years. A subdivision gets built nearby. Residents complain, call police, file reports over noise from shooting. Nothing is done because nothing can be done. Residents start calling the police saying that the shooters are shooting their house. No evidence is found. One resident called the police and said he had evidence.....turned out to be aluminum metal shavings in his driveway. Another resident stated that a bullet went through his house. Turned out to be a hole in his interior wall, no bullet found. No holes anywhere else to indicate entry into the house. When asked about a possible negligent discharge buy the homeowner, the homeowner dropped the complaint.

The county filed a cease order on the landowner. They attacked the landowner saying that his land was not zoned for a shooting range. The landowner sued the county and won, but it took a lot of money and time. Money that he never got back.

I wish you luck,
 
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Buck460: Yes, that's us. http://www.wildlifehunters.com/info.html is a satellite map. The actual range is south of the pointer, down the dirt road. The nearest house straight down range looks to be about 3 miles away. It's the one with the back drive going out to his own private pistol range. The complaining party could be one of his neighbors on either side.

I would think that if rifle fire was an issue, at least the shotgun and pistol facilities could be retained.

I hadn't heard anything about this at all until the shutdown e-mail came. Don't know about lawyers, but there are plenty of engineers who could have done a through analysis of the incident.

Yes, CRC is accepting members. Google says it's a 1 hour, 40 minute drive from my place. Any place closer has a 3-year wait list.
 
This just reaffirms my thoughts that i need to buy some land, and i need to do it soon. Ive only got 3/4's of an acre at my homne proprty, not enough to shoot because im in city limits, and it would also be very unsafe... Either way, Im saving for somewhere around 50 acres in the texas hill country.. Im thinkin about selling my house, buying the land and puting a mobile home out there... I dunno.
 
200yd indoor range
already has a waiting list
for full access is at least 5x the cost.

The 600yd range is the big loss. It is also the part of the range that makes covers infeasible, multiple firing lines.
 
Something is fishy. No one gives up that easy unless they have a reason out of view.

Yea... its called the legal system and that's based on money.
 
I don't shoot outdoors as much as I used to.
New houses closed many ranges around here.
Most of the indoor ranges around here allow rifle now---what fun is a 25/ 30 yard rifle range.
I have to drive 70 miles now to a good outdoor rifle range.
The indoor ranges are even attacked with sound restrictions.
One indoor range was closed when a homeowner said a pistol bullet went thru the wall of the indoor range & hit his house---complete BS but the city closed it just on the complaint along with loud sound destroying the neighborhood.
 
I don't see how 1 person making an allegation over 1 round could legally force your range to close.
My take on this is that it isn't being closed due to the one round per se. The complaint put the range on the planning commission's radar, and they want it closed until it meets their current compliance rules. Which from the OP's post, is unlikely to happen. It's a real shame too.
 
I don't see how 1 person making an allegation over 1 round could legally force your range to close.

It didn't. Read the article. The allegation prompted an investigation. The investigation revealed a violation of another pre-existed ordinance. The range's owners merely had to comply with the pre-existing ordinance, and they could have stayed open.

They determined it was too expensive.

The range was ordered closed, but not because of a stray bullet.
 
It didn't. Read the article. The allegation prompted an investigation. The investigation revealed a violation of another pre-existed ordinance. The range's owners merely had to comply with the pre-existing ordinance, and they could have stayed open.

They determined it was too expensive.

The range was ordered closed, but not because of a stray bullet.

When was the range opened and when was the ordinance adopted? Did the affected operation get notice that such an ordinance was under consideration at whatever point in the past?
 
Is this the range/club involved?

http://wildlifehunters.com/index.html

Website says it's 80 acres, not 640, most 80 acre parcels are 1/4 X 1/2 mile, which would take a mile and a half of fence to surround, not 4 miles. Still....not a cheap venture. They also claim to have a waiting list for new members and current members hunt all over the world.....meaning asking to raise the membership fee probably wouldn't be a problem with most folk. While I know the range would have to be closed for a period of time until a solution is found, it seems a solution could be found......especially with some state matched grants as shown on hso's link. It seems a solution could be found, if a solution really is wanted, not only with the help of state monies, but with their expertise also. For your sake and the sake of the rest of the members I hope so. I'm not saying current building codes are acceptable or make sense. Being a builder by trade, I deal with them all the time. I also sympathize with your situation. According to the website, it seems like a great place to shoot for a yearly family membership fee of $200. I just am puzzled by the lack of communication to the members about a situation that affects them so severely.

Yes, that's the place. And, I agree with what you are saying. In fact, I've talked to at least 5 members since it happened (all VERY active members like myself) and no one had heard anything about this happening prior to the e-mail we all received.

There's definitely not 640 acres worth of range upon which we are shooting. The 80 acres stated on the website sounds far more accurate. The property may very well be 640 acres, but the portion we're using is not.

The more I think about it (and talk about it with other members) the more it seems like maybe there's something else going on behind the scenes that I/we haven't heard about yet. I e-mailed the head of the organization, but have heard nothing back yet. I wanted to give him a couple of days to deal with the onslaught of questions he's probably receiving, but I plan to call him in the next day or two to discuss the issue by phone.

The thing about this club is that it wasn't run as the typical non-profit shooting club. The two guys in charge were turning a profit off of the place, so it wasn't like this was an organization that was run by board-rule. Nevertheless, they always kept the rates very reasonable, and the rules were very easy to deal with at this place. As such, the loss of such a facility is substantial to those of us who used it.

Many of us regularly shot with the guy who ran the place (myself included), and none of us have heard anything else about this situation other than the e-mail we received (at least so far as I've heard yet). It's a strange situation, and the lack of communication is uncharacteristic of this club.

I mean, here's a few things that I can think of:

1) If this case was looming in court, why not solicit the help of members in fighting it?

2) If someone alleged that a round came from our range, why not make them attempt to prove it?

3) Since that allegation occurred about a year ago, why is it just now affecting the range?

4) If there's a legal battle to be fought, why not fight it with the membership dollars instead of refunding all of that money and disbanding the organization? Or, even solicit some extra money from the members due to an unusual hardship that could force the closure of the range?

5) Since the range was existing prior to this code change, why not fight to have it grandfathered? Codes constantly change, and a five year old house often isn't up to current code... that doesn't mean that the house becomes unusable.

Frankly, I don't know what's going on here, but it's a strange situation. One of my friends from the range is planning to contact the landowner for more information in the next few days (the land was leased to our shooting club, and is owned by a farmer in that immediate area). Perhaps he'll be able to shed some light on that situation, and perhaps he'll be able to help us reopen a shooting facility on those grounds if everyone else decides to bail out.

The other rumor I've heard in the last few days is that the county didn't actually serve legal papers on anyone affiliated with this land, or this range. The rumor I heard (and it is strictly rumor) is only that the county commissioner's office advised one of the club owners by telephone that they range was no longer authorized. I have NO idea if this is true or not, but that kind of statement would have received a reply from me along the lines of: "Okay, if that's the case you guys need to serve me with some sort of notice explaining this situation so that I can present it to my lawyer for review". I wouldn't take a verbal "don't shoot anymore" from some elected official. That's not how zoning changes are made, and that's not how code violations are enforced.

I do hope this situation gets worked out, because I had every intention of shooting on this property for many years to come. The biggest frustration is the lack of information we've received about the situation (other than that surprise e-mail).
 
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