NEW M&P Pistols - Improved Triggers?

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So, are the new production M&P pistols sporting the improved Shield triggers, or not?

I'm hearing different things. Is new production M&P pistols coming with improved triggers, or are they still using the same old trigger?
 
This is a great website but you might want to visit the Smith & Wesson Forum or M&P-Pistol Forum. However, I've read the M&P Compacts w/test date March, and FWD have the improved trigger axn. I recently bought my 9C used & it's test fire date is back in 2011. I had the Apex DCAEK installed that resulted a new trigger pull wt just under 5lbs and a more definite tactile & audible reset.

I bought a NIB Shield 40 last week w/test fire date 5/8/2013. I did not think the trigger axn was improved at all. The trigger pull wt was a little over 7lbs. After an Apex DCAEK installed the pull wt was just under 6lbs.

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There was talk of S&W incorporating an apex-like trigger. As of 2010, it was still the same as always. 6 pounds of lumpy mashed potatoes. Which is why the apex is considered a must.
 
Bingo this is why I have stayed away from the S&W MP line due to poor QC and the triggers. I prefer high quality triggers that come from a factory because of the impact on resale value. I hope the QC and triggers improve on the MP line as I would consider buying one some day. One additional factor that plays into my buying decision is resale value so I am always looking to buy at a low price and keep my investment to a minimum unless I can sell off the parts. The only way to get a decent return on value is to sell the pistol to a private party who is an aficionado especially if the pistol has had non factory custom work as most LGS and large chains kill you on trade-in value.
 
Same old crap mushy triggers, with no felt reset.;) Apex or ATEi trigger work a must for a good feel, but for SD, the M&P triggers are perfectly fine.
 
Vulcan71 said:
Bingo this is why I have stayed away from the S&W MP line due to poor QC and the triggers. I prefer high quality triggers that come from a factory because of the impact on resale value. I hope the QC and triggers improve on the MP line as I would consider buying one some day. One additional factor that plays into my buying decision is resale value so I am always looking to buy at a low price and keep my investment to a minimum unless I can sell off the parts. The only way to get a decent return on value is to sell the pistol to a private party who is an aficionado especially if the pistol has had non factory custom work as most LGS and large chains kill you on trade-in value.
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What's your S/A of choice?
 
Sounds like a bunch of Glock fanboys on this tread.
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+1 or a bunch of Apex shills :)

We've M&P40, M&P40C, and M&P9-Pro and all have stock triggers that blow away the triggers on our Glock 17, 21, 20, & 22 Gen4. I've seen no need whatsoever to do anything to the stock M&P triggers, whereas all but the Glock 22 needed the 3.5lb connector to shoot well, but with this installed, I question them for carry usage, which is why the 22 remains stock.
 
wally said:
+1 or a bunch of Apex shills :)

We've M&P40, M&P40C, and M&P9-Pro and all have stock triggers that blow away the triggers on our Glock 17, 21, 20, & 22 Gen4. I've seen no need whatsoever to do anything to the stock M&P triggers, whereas all but the Glock 22 needed the 3.5lb connector to shoot well, but with this installed, I question them for carry usage, which is why the 22 remains stock.
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Not a Glock fanboy, as such w/only 2 Gen4's out of my 11 handguns. IMO, the NIB Glock trigger is outstanding whereas the opposite is true of the M&P's. I do have 2 M&P's w/BOTH the Apex DCAEK :neener:

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Apex Shill
 
My m&p 45c is 2 months old feels like the one my friend has that's over a year old. Before the apex kit it was gritty and heavy
 
We've M&P40, M&P40C, and M&P9-Pro and all have stock triggers that blow away the triggers on our Glock 17, 21, 20, & 22 Gen4. I've seen no need whatsoever to do anything to the stock M&P triggers, whereas all but the Glock 22 needed the 3.5lb connector to shoot well, but with this installed, I question them for carry usage, which is why the 22 remains stock.
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I agree with this assessment of triggers. But for a pure range gun, I installed the Apex kit, and trigger. You may not need to spend the money for a duty pistol, but to get really small groups, Apex is wonderful.
 
My wife has a M&P9c and it does have a dcaek kit but using the stock trigger return spring so pull weight is a fine 4lbs with noticeable trigger reset. The kit makes for a greatly improved pistol. Even with the apex kit added it would have been the same cost as a glock gen 4 and now with a way better trigger than the glock. Not a glock fan so much. Had couple and gone do mainly to grip size not function. Does the stock M&P trigger suck. YES. Does the apex kit make for a better pistol? Heck yes. Should s&w make a more user friendly trigger for there pistol? Sure they should but they tend to not be the company they were in years gone by .
 
I've got a M&P 9C and a M&P 9. I wouldn't complain about the trigger on either of them. I did put a heavier return spring and a APEX RAM in mine at around 8000 rounds as I thought the trigger had gotten a little mushy but both had good triggers right out of the box as far as I'm concerned. My M&P 9C has over 10,000 rounds without a malfunction and my wife's full sized M&P has been 100%, with a lot fewer rounds down range, so I can't complain about their QC either. I also have a BG380, 3913, and a 5906 which have all been flawless. S&W does a fine job in my experience.
 
The recent production M&P, at least the 9/40/357, have much improved triggers. Most noticeable is the stronger reset. That was the thing I disliked about my M&Ps most compared to my Glocks, the vague, indeterminate reset. The newer guns are much improved in this area. I believe the 45s still have bad triggers, though.

With the new triggers, I don't know that I would bother with the Apex stuff, quite honestly, unless you were going for their FSS kit (forward set sear). That's a whole 'nother level of trigger, though.
 
I wish I knew what handgun S&W was going to produce next. Then I would be able to determine which aftermarket gun parts manufacturer to buy stock in.

I will make a fortune when the manufacturer starts filling all the orders to produce all the things the S&W gun should have had from the factory. :)

I wish I'd bought stock in Apex.......:(
 
M&P triggers are just fine IMO. I've owned M&P9/40, XD40, and Glock 19's. Best to worse triggers are:

XD
M&P
Glock.

And I'm carrying the Glock19 so I'm not biased at all (bought it for way too cheap)
 
As one of the Apex Tactical owners told me, for 80% (maybe 60%) of the M&P users, the stock trigger is acceptable. It really depends on your frame of reference and expectations of the trigger feel
 
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As one of the Apex Tactical owners told me, for 80% (maybe 60%) of the M&P users, the stock trigger is acceptable. It really depends on your frame of reference and expectations of the trigger feel
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I'll vouch for that I shot my M&P with the stock trigger for 3-4 months and it was fine. I eventually put in the Apex CAEK and RAM because its my USPSA gun and I wanted it to be top notch. I don't know many competition Glock shooters who don't also swap out some parts.

Honestly though for duty/carry/home defense or just general range use though, I'd consider the stock trigger in mine to be completely fine. Certainly no worse than the stock trigger was in my Glock.
 
My only beef with the M&P trigger is that articulated design. If that pin fails or the pinhole crack, the gun will be all but out of order. My M&P 45 had such a crack that they fixed but that crack got there somehow and I suspect it was wear or stress that the part is not up to. I will stipulate that maybe mine was weak from the get go but the crack showed up very quickly. If one of the flipper style triggers breaks (Glock, XD, Taurus...probably others) the thing will still fire even if the little thingy ceases to block the trigger. Made me nervous. Ideally, a trigger would have no moving parts other than itself within the trigger guard area I suppose.
 
Which is better Glock or M & P? = Which is better Ford or Chevy? Whatever floats your boat is better. I prefer M & Ps and Fords.:)
 
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