NEW M&P Pistols - Improved Triggers?
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Soldiernurse
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I agree w/XD stock triggers are sweet. However, IMO, Glocks have excellent triggers NIB. The M&Ps have a crappy trigger... until the Apex DCAEK is installed, then you've got a 3-way tie for 1st Place.
Soldiernurse
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That tactical trigger mod reminds me of one of the things I don't like about Glocks. The trigger axn is fine with me but the actual Glock trigger no bueno.Maybe you'd like the Apex Tactical polymer AEK trigger
I've never understood all the complaining about the M&P triggers. The reset isn't as positive as it could be fair enough BUT the trigger reset is a lot shorter and more positive than a Browning HP thats for sure. As far as it being "vague" that is just not my experience. The trigger resets the same spot every single time, it also resets right at the point the sear breaks so if you let the trigger out and pull the trigger right at the point of reset you are right at the break of the sear and it fires. While the trigger pull of the XDs is nice the reset it way past the sear so you have to take the slack up again to get to the break of the sear for the next shot. It take a LOT more effort to work with a trigger like that than the M&P in my opinion. While Glocks have a very positive reset I find the break to be too stiff along with it, at least in the ones I've shot. I bet the pull on one of the lighter options is a pretty sweet trigger though. That being said I find the stock trigger really nice on the M&Ps. The only trigger I like better is the single action trigger on my 3913 which is as nice as any 1911 I've shot and better than than most.
Not so say I think the M&Ps trigger is perfect either. I haven't shot the newer ones as both of mine are earlier models. Mine has a heavier trigger return spring and the APEX RAM. I didn't have any issues with my trigger at all until around 8000 rounds when the return spring just began to feel kind of week. The heavier return spring made a big difference in that case.
Not so say I think the M&Ps trigger is perfect either. I haven't shot the newer ones as both of mine are earlier models. Mine has a heavier trigger return spring and the APEX RAM. I didn't have any issues with my trigger at all until around 8000 rounds when the return spring just began to feel kind of week. The heavier return spring made a big difference in that case.
waterhouse
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Our department issues the full size M&P, and I have about 3 or 4 variations (full size, compact, shield) per week come through the shop for transfers.
To be honest, I have not noticed much improvement in the triggers on the new guns coming through, but I haven't been checking their manufacture dates so it is possible they are old stock. I think most of the Shields are fairly new manufacture dates, but I haven't noticed an improvement in those either.
I have no complaints about the factory trigger pull weight, but the reset on just about all of them seems to have a "false" reset feel before the actual reset. When I first shot the M&P I spent a few days releasing to the false rest and then pressing the trigger again with no result.
The Apex kit fixes this, and makes for a much better and more positive reset, which unfortunately doesn't help the department issued guns.
To be honest, I have not noticed much improvement in the triggers on the new guns coming through, but I haven't been checking their manufacture dates so it is possible they are old stock. I think most of the Shields are fairly new manufacture dates, but I haven't noticed an improvement in those either.
I have no complaints about the factory trigger pull weight, but the reset on just about all of them seems to have a "false" reset feel before the actual reset. When I first shot the M&P I spent a few days releasing to the false rest and then pressing the trigger again with no result.
The Apex kit fixes this, and makes for a much better and more positive reset, which unfortunately doesn't help the department issued guns.
mgmorden
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Glock's patents are long expired now. They could literally come out with a gun idential to the Glock except with S&W printed on the slide instead and there's nothing that could be done.
That's how so many companies make clones of the 1911, AR15, Browning Hi Power, CZ-75, etc.
INMY01TA
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Just did paperwork on a new fullsize M&P yesterday. The trigger on it felt worse than my old M&Pc at home. Guess it needs to break in like my compact must have.
I've never felt a "false reset" in either of my M&Ps. I would suspect you are actually just short stroking the trigger. Unless your M&P exhibits something mine don't which is possible too. I still just find it curious because I don't hear all the complaining about other formats like the XD which in my opinion has a HORRIBLE reset. It is positive but its in totally the wrong PLACE. BTW, I took my HP out a few months ago after doing a lot of shooting with my M&P and I short stroked the trigger a few times before I figured out what was going on. The reset on the HP is much longer and really non-existant compare to even my M&Ps. Is it possible that is really what is happening? If I let my triggers out and really pay attention to the reset on my M&Ps I don't experience anything I would call a false reset.
Ok..... S&W M&P + Apex polymer trigger = Glock?
I honestlly don't get all the trigger complaints. With all of these plastic guns, they just are not the same as a 1911, or or metal gun of any type. They seem to work the way they are supposed to, unless you buy an lc9, "which still works", but has over 1/4 of wobble, because according to Ruger, the trigger seized up if firing a lot of rounds quicklly. So instead of fixing the problem they just made extra room for it not to seize.
Like M&P did with the 40 caliber shield magazines, they put a crimp to stop the mag from falling out upon recoil.
Lets face it, unless you spend a grand on a gun, you are going to get a plastic piece of junk that may function well for the next 50 years, but forget about , Tolorences and thousandths of an inch with these guns.
The public decided that $500 was the price that they would spend on a gun, so you are getting guns that cost about 1 hundred to make, the rest goes for Public Relations, packing shipping, graphics, advertising, and all that stuff we don't see. The gun itself has less than a hundred dollars worth of parts inside.
So when we start talking about a small difference on a reset, or creep, or travel, it's no wonder that they all have crappy triggers.
If you want a good gun get a steel gun with quality parts. I am guilty of the same thing, I keep buying "kits" to fix this or that, but by the time you buy all the parts you need to make the dam gun work properlly, you may as well have bought a better gun to start with. Perhaps something that a real gunsmith can hone and polish, instead of crazy glue.
Plus you have no way of knowing if the new part will last, or even worse, get you in trouble if you shoot someone with a "modified" gun.
It's not worth the chance IMO. An action job or a trigger job on a metal gun is much different than a drop in part made to lessen the trigger pull or reset if you end up in a court of law.
Like M&P did with the 40 caliber shield magazines, they put a crimp to stop the mag from falling out upon recoil.
Lets face it, unless you spend a grand on a gun, you are going to get a plastic piece of junk that may function well for the next 50 years, but forget about , Tolorences and thousandths of an inch with these guns.
The public decided that $500 was the price that they would spend on a gun, so you are getting guns that cost about 1 hundred to make, the rest goes for Public Relations, packing shipping, graphics, advertising, and all that stuff we don't see. The gun itself has less than a hundred dollars worth of parts inside.
So when we start talking about a small difference on a reset, or creep, or travel, it's no wonder that they all have crappy triggers.
If you want a good gun get a steel gun with quality parts. I am guilty of the same thing, I keep buying "kits" to fix this or that, but by the time you buy all the parts you need to make the dam gun work properlly, you may as well have bought a better gun to start with. Perhaps something that a real gunsmith can hone and polish, instead of crazy glue.
Plus you have no way of knowing if the new part will last, or even worse, get you in trouble if you shoot someone with a "modified" gun.
It's not worth the chance IMO. An action job or a trigger job on a metal gun is much different than a drop in part made to lessen the trigger pull or reset if you end up in a court of law.
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hardluk1
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Trigger reset is not a big a problem with the M&P . most any pistol reset can be learned and felt regardless of how far or short it must move to reset while your recovering from a shot . Its the darn striker block that just kills the current m&p pistol line and makes for heavy and rough trigger pull. Change only or gring and polish the striker block and it makes a major improvement. Anything after that is just getting it how you think you want it compared to your other handguns.
possum
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I don't know what S&W is doing in regards to putting the "shield" trigger in guns for the "regular" market. I had heard that they were supposed to start but I don't know if they have started or when they plan to. I do know though that my department is trading in our M&P's for new ones in the next few months. We have over 1600 officers, and we are getting new FS duty guns, some compacts, as well as a couple dozen shields.
The new ones that we are getting will have the "shield" trigger in it, as that is what our department asked S&W for. I have a shield, an M&P fs and my M&P duty gun. Though I have no issue with the current/ old M&P trigger, I do feel that the shield trigger is better and I look forward to having my new duty gun having the shield trigger in it.
The new ones that we are getting will have the "shield" trigger in it, as that is what our department asked S&W for. I have a shield, an M&P fs and my M&P duty gun. Though I have no issue with the current/ old M&P trigger, I do feel that the shield trigger is better and I look forward to having my new duty gun having the shield trigger in it.
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