PPQ Navy

Nice guns, slickguns has a special on the 3 and 4 inch, not the Navy. I don't know the difference, but the 4 inch is the one I like in 9mm

Do they make a PPQ M2 Navy? The only PPQ Navy pistols I've ever seen or heard of were of the gen 1 variety (with the proper paddle mag release).

Yep they make it. You just have to look a bit.

There's one on gunbroker right now. Failing that ask your LGS if they'll order one for you.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=386102841

Their is a guy on Gunbroker who almost always has one to sell. I talked with him a few times with email and he gets one from the plant every so often. I will try to find his address and post it.

On second thought, I will PM it.

It's always nice when talking about a less than common firearm to give a link to make sure we know what gun you're talking about.

Is this the Walther PPQ Navy you are talking about? http://www.carl-walther.de/cw.php?lang=en&content=products&sub=2&subsub=22&product=1652

I just read that +p ammo may cause the gun to need servicing more often, "on Wikipedia". I knew that +p+ was a no no, but +p also? that is enough to turn me off to the gun, as the whole purpose of these new 9's is to pack more punch than the old ones did. IMO.
Overpressure ammunition[edit]

According to Walther “Plus-P” (+P) overpressure ammunition may affect the wear characteristics of the PPQ pistol or exceed the margin of safety. Use of “Plus-P” ammunition may, according to Walther, result in the need for more frequent service. Walther recommends against the use of “Plus-P-Plus” (+P+) overpressure ammunition in Walther firearms. This marking on the ammunition designates that it exceeds established industry standards, but the designation does not represent defined pressure limits and therefore such ammunition may vary significantly as to the pressures generated.[10]
apparently this is a subject that has been discussed at length on the net.

Interesting comparo between the GB ad and the Walther link: "Navy" has an extra water flow hole in the striker channel. The TB is an option, and is NOT indicative of a true "navy" model.

I have a 4" M2 model and love it. Incredible trigger out of box.

Here is some more research I am seeing online, I have read several dozen posts on ten or so forums. The people who actually measured the pull on the ppq trigger averaged 3.5- 5 lbs, That's why the gun is so darn accurate, if you throw a 3,5 lb trigger in a glock , or anything else, you will likely find the same result. It seems that ammo problems arise after a few hundred rounds, "those who have had them". The consensus is to ignore the warning about high pressure loads, "which I don't think is a good idea". And in Germany, only special ops, can use the weapon as a duty gun. "Because of the trigger". That to me says that the gun is too dangerous for someone who just started shooting within the past couple of years unless they have had specialized training and are aware of the ammo problem. My opinion is that no new shooter should carry this gun.
Being it was at the front of my list, I am disappointed, but relieved that I did the research. In a carry gun anything lighter than 5 lbs is just too light, unless you are trained for the use of such weapons on a constant basis. Perhaps there is a kit to bring it up to 6.5 or 7 lbs. If they really are sending out guns with 3.5 lb triggers, it's just dangerous.

Here is some more research I am seeing online,

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Cite please.

I want a PPQ as well, very badly actually!

I can't find one either. I work at a gun shop and all of our distributors have been allocated on the PPQ for the past couple months. I saw one for sale at another local gun shop a few weeks ago but didn't buy one because I can get one at 10% over cost through the shop I work at, so I'm just gonna wait.

gym, I get exactly what you're saying about the PPQ trigger.

I have the P99AS in 9mm as well as a PPQM1, and the PPQ is a great, fun range gun, but I would seriously hesitate to carry it w/o considerably more drill. That trigger is scary (good, great even, for range time), but I personally wouldn't use it for a carry w/o more training and practice.

Don't anyone take this as me knocking the gun; it was designed to be a certain thing, and Walther succeeded. This is about my comfort level with my training and experience. It's the same reason I would be very careful behind the wheel of a serious muscle car (not that I have ever have been, but wouldn't mind trying it, time and esp. money allowing).

Yes by all means, I feel the same way, and have been looking at the 4 inch and 5 inch for several days. I am in the market and was going to pick up a 1911, but this caught my eye also. The "navy" is very hard to find, I did find one or two yesterday and today, but I am a geek and can do searches like no other human being. The going price for the 5" Is $599, the 4" is 50 to 60 dollars less. I also will need night sights, or a laser "green" perhaps a lasermax, or viridian, Lasermax came out with a small ramp mounted green laser for 2 and change. Also a good holster, for the reasons we discussed.
But at that outlay I can get a Sig, "several around $1000, or a Para Elite carry., or a Kimber CDP It's a hard decision, another polymer gun, or a quality steel and aluminum/alloy pistol.
Having a half dozen polymer guns for carry, how exciting can this one possibly be? And I really haven't heard much about the 40, the 9mm is another gun I don't need another one of. But I have to feel that trigger everyone is raving about, maybe if they made a 45.It seems like XD is the only one that really pushes their 45 calibers,Smith and the rest don't other than their steel guns in 45.

I've shot a PPQM2, and while the trigger was light (and good) it wasn't by any means scary to me. It felt like about 4.5#'s. I still had to want to pull it. But I shoot mostly SA pistols so maybe it's just what we've trained on. You don't have to be a google wizard either. Go to gunbroker. Type "PPQ Navy" into search box. Pick one and buy it.

gym. Not sure what you mean about "pushing the .45"on the XD's, but an M&P 45 is a nice gun (my wife's got one) and FN makes some really nice polymer .45's.

I agree that the P99AS trigger is better suited for carry than the PPQ trigger.

The AS (Anti-Stress) trigger is a brilliant design. Is is exactly what the name implies - a smooth, crisp, and light trigger that reduces the possibility of a negligent discharge by making the first trigger squeeze long like a double-action, but smooth, light, and crisp like a good single-action trigger.
In fact, the P99AS has a better trigger feel than many 1911s I've fired.

Also, with the AS system, you can always revert to traditional DA/SA (like a SIG or Beretta) if you so desire (by decocking).

To echo what Gym said, Ive read multiple reviews where the user said he accidentally double tapped and/or accidentally discharged due to the smooth/light pull several times. One into the roof of the indoor range.


On another note, they sure do advertise the darned thing a lot, but they're still hard to find. You'd think they would be a little more prevalent.

Look on gunbroker they have some selling for around $600 brand new

powder said:

Interesting comparo between the GB ad and the Walther link: "Navy" has an extra water flow hole in the striker channel..

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Is that the only difference, and if so, why not make them all like that?

I just meant that hey seem to promote hem more than the rest, excluding steel guns

The modified firing system is interesting; there's your dedicated fishing/rafting/shower gun.

I was thinking that you might be right about those light, excellent triggers. But those 5.5 pound triggers are just a little less dangerous. A 12 pound trigger would be a lot safer, know what I mean?

Get a quality holster and keep you finger out of the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot and you will be okay. Why do people think they need a 10# trigger for a safe carry gun? If this makes you feel safer then by all means get a heavy trigger gun, but training with any gun will make it safe no matter what trigger. If staging a trigger is your thing then you definitely have the wrong idea. Not trying to be a smart *** but I don't get this argument people have. However I have heard people say they carry a 1911 cocked and unlocked and I think this is definitely a bad idea, but that's a true single action trigger

By the way I carry a ppq 40 with full confidence it won't go off in my pants or when I don't want it to. Good holster and training = safe and confidence

But those 5.5 pound triggers are just a little less dangerous.

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With the PPQ, I think it has more to do with the really short trigger reset than a light trigger pull. Much the same could be said for the P99AS trigger; again, a really short reset.

As I said above, it's not the fault of those particular guns; they function exactly as they were designed to, and do it very well.

Yeah I think you're right, it probably has a short reset.