Massive Illicit Weapons Siezure in China

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15000 Guns Siezed in China

I found this interesting merely because of the scale of the operation, and the fact it went on for at least 3 years unnoticed. The guns were apparently iron, fired steel balls, and were sourced from toy factories. They look pretty nice for illegal gangster weapons.

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I first heard about the story on NPR this morning, which was obviously compelled by their DNA to mindlessly point out "guns are illegal in China, which has a much lower crime rate than the US," as though that has anything to do with the story. :scrutiny: Yeah, except for the tens of thousands of illegal guns being made by just one operation in toy factories, hundreds of thousands of illegal knives, many other weapons like crossbows, and obviously a ton of local-level corruption allowing this to proliferate. :rolleyes: Not to mention China's published violence/crime statistics probably manage to be even less accurate, somehow, than their published economic data or any government figures.

TCB
 
"much lower crime rate" umm, what explains the electric fences atop 2.5m walls around all the new apartment blocks? Try crimes not getting reported and harsh penalties for those they catch as reasons.

There have been reports of much the same thing in Australia. Biker gangs making their own guns since they could not longer source them via theft or fraud. It was not to this scale but it happened.
Given the proliferation of CNC and the huge ROI (and commensurate risk) this is the result of complete bans. If they can be sourced cheaper/safer internationally then that will be a path (US-MX) but the box is open and they are not going away.
 
Read the article.....iron guns that fired a steel ball.......aint that the description of a Red Ryder BB gun.
 
"BB gun" that would fit an air rifle in there but air rifles are rarely called firearms (here at least, statement void in NJ)

There is little actual detail to work from in that article.
 
I have a bb gun which at ten pumps will shoot through both sides of a three pound coffee can. I do not wish to think of what it would penetrate in a persons intestines.
 
The guns pictured are from Barrett and Nemesis.... and appear to have their scopes mounted quite far forward.
 
Comparing crime rates, especially violent crime, between the U.S. and most other countries is misleading at best. A good example of this is the U.S. vs England. In the U.S. if a violent crime is reported, it is recorded as a violent crime. In England, it is only recorded as a violent crime if there is a successful conviction.

All unsolved gun crimes, and all violent crimes for that matter, in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there. This is from the Gallant, Hills, Kopel, Independence Institute, July 18, 2000.
 
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Comparing crime rates, especially violent crime, between the U.S. and most other countries is misleading at best. A good example of this is the U.S. vs England. In the U.S. if a violent crime is reported, it is recorded as a violent crime. In England, it is only recorded as a violent crime if there is a successful conviction.

All unsolved gun crimes, and all violent crimes for that matter, in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there. This is from the Gallant, Hills, Kopel, Independence Institute, July 18, 2000.
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I don't know about that, but England also counts a lot of crimes as "violent" that sure not considered violent crimes in the US, which is why there reported violent crime rate is so high.

Ex: ANY crime against a person is considered a violent crime. So something that would be misdemeanor battery here in the US would NOT go into the US violent crime rate, but would be counted in the UK.

To get real comparisons, you can't rely on the reported "crime rate." You have to look at the legal definitions of each crime, find the crimes that are really comparable, then find the raw numbers on those crimes and do a comparison using that.
 
There have been reports of much the same thing in Australia. Biker gangs making their own guns since they could not longer source them via theft or fraud......., this is the result of complete bans......
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Australia doesn't have a complete ban on firearms. While some types of firearms like handguns and semiautomatic rifles are banned, Australians are allowed to own other types of rifles and shotguns.
 
The report I recall was a gang getting busted for making small automatic weapons, open bolt uzi clones. The banned stuff.

edit, sorry mac10 clone. figured I'd dig up where I heard that, if just for a refresh.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3739345&postcount=18
(he didn't back up the statement but I'm willing to take is word for it as an aussie.)
Andy the Aussie on falfiles said:
Much of that lot is NOT illegal to own but yes requires registration, of the 300+ there were 70 or so registered. As to the values, yes an unregistered Glock is running $5-10K here among the filth. There has also just been a conviction of a guy who was located about 5km from my place that was making back yard "MAC10s" including a suppressors. The pics I saw showed them Ugly and rough but they functioned. He made around 100 and sold them all to OMCGs (except a couple in a controlled buy to police) for $15K a pop. Two or so years another bust caught a group of Serbs dealing out of a storage Unit, never heard what the MP5s they had were selling for but they were asking the UC Police for $30K for a .303 BREN.
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Sounds like air rifles to me.

Air rifles are considered "firearms" in China as well as many other countries such as England, Germany, South Africa and so on. The determination is typically based-on muzzle energy or caliber of the projectile.
 
It says part way through the article that
The guns found by police were made of iron and use steel balls as bullets. Some had a range of up to 200 meters.
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Sounds like airsoft to me.
 
Biz in China is a bloodsport: the losers might find themselves in line to get executed, and the reason backfiled. This whiffs very much of that.
 
I'd like to see some of these steel, ball shooting guns. Obviously the pic shown is not them.
 
@Sam Cade, me too. It sounds like either a BB gun or Airsoft that will accept metal BB's. I know they are trying to make it sound like WMD's. Just makes me a little more glad to live in the USA(at least until things change).
 
Steel balls at 200 meters? Sounds like a musket if you'd ask me.

I've heard that there are actually quite a few illicit firearms in China. Apparently, they're fairly common in rural areas where authorities either don't enforce bans, or are corrupt.

According to gunpolicy.org, the number of private firearms in Chinese hands, both legal and illegal is 40,000,000.

Number of registered guns in China...680,000.
 
I used to travel to China 5-6 times a year, down on the southern border you could buy just about any knock off firearm you wanted. And they were pretty cheap.
 
From the quantity, it sounds like a factory that made export sporting goods got busted.
Depending on where, the local govt. doesn't care what you are doing as long as they get paid taxes & their "red envelopes" (bribes).

I think some of the air rifles (pistols?) got diverted into the hands of local hoods and local police wanted to show-off how great they are.

Here's a pic of the "illegal knives" from the so-called bust. Note the USA flag on it. Probably meant for export to martial arts stores here.
I think some of the air rifles (pistols?) got diverted into the hands of local hoods.
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Oftentimes, things in China don't become a "crime" until the govt. notices.
 
Red envelopes; so much more dignified than the 'sack with a dollar sign on it'

I hear everyone saying "they're just BB guns" but in China they will get you executed just the same. And from the sounds of it they'd be largely as effective against meat at close range, and look just as menacing as the 'real deal' to boot. And as stupid as those machetes or Xiaolin Spades or whatever are, I'll bet they work just fine for the local hoods.

"Things in China don't become a "crime" until the govt. decides they are."
Fixed it for you. Probably closer to the truth. Even the Chinese official account says this was a direct response to the recent mass stabbing over there; apparently the locals are in an uproar and 'action' was needed. ...So the mayor got out his rolodex of shady business contacts and picked a number :D

TCB
 
The photos exhibited are of airsoft guns.

From the Chinese news article:

The guns found by police were made of iron and use steel balls as bullets. Some had a range of up to 200 meters.

They could cause serious injury at a distance but would prove fatal at close range, police said.

Machetes, daggers and other weapons, including crossbows, were also found to have been produced and sold by the business.
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Even a .22 LR has a range far greater than 200 meters.

This plant made bladed weapons and airsoft guns.

All of which the Chinese government considered threats to China.

Police have seized 15,000 guns and 120,000 knives in southwest Guizhou Province
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They produced mostly knives and many less airsoft guns that could be loaded with metal projectiles that were considered threats to the Chinese people.



Knifes and airsoft guns?


You go, China. Way to crack down on your illegal arms manufacturers.

Notice that there was not one picture of a single centerfire round in their great illegal arms crackdown. Anywhere.


You go China. Go you.
 
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