Keep your eyes open when entering/leaving a shooting range...

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Post #50; criminal mindset....

I disagree with post #50.
Most crooks & violent thugs want a "easy lick".
They don't want any resistance or to be faced with a chance that they could be shot or arrested.
Most felons & older career criminals know that going after any guns or places where people are armed can be extremely risky.
That's why Id say to be leery of any groups or take-down style situations.

Rusty
 
If they want guns, they'll go where they know guns are at.
Yup...kinda reminds you of the old question...Why do you rob banks?

Most crooks & violent thugs want a "easy lick".
What could be easier than stealing guns at a gun range?
They're usually remote & well off the beaten path, you have time to "case the joint" safely & legally, and if there's only one person there (many folks enjoy shooting alone), no witnesses. Many folks at gun ranges let their guard down - how many times has someone struck up an innocent conversation with you at the range? (we've all had it happen)
Suppose that person is a criminal?
Hey man, nice gun!...BANG (it's mine / ours now!)

Where else ya gonna look for an "easy lick" if you're after guns...
1. The Gun Store? (owners / employees are usually armed and constantly in condition yellow).
2. A house? You'll have to break & enter (broken the law already) in order to "case the joint", you'll spend time searching / running into obstacles such as gun safes, armed home owners, etc., you never really know if someone's in there, and you're on the home owner's turf (the home owner has the advantage).

They don't want any resistance or to be faced with a chance that they could be shot or arrested.
Again...what could be safer than an out of the way, solitary shooter at a gun range?

Most felons & older career criminals know that going after any guns or places where people are armed can be extremely risky.
And the least risky place to go after guns (for reasons listed) may well be at a rural gun range.
I think we're also falling into the "old school" trap - there's a new breed of criminal prowling the streets these days, and they don't play by the old rules.

Again (based on some quotes in here), I'm seeing some folks that are apparently lulled into a sense of complacency when at the range.
If so (and the thinking criminal may be counting on that), you've already put yourself well behind the curve.

I've told this tale in here before, but for those that may have missed it:
1. Got an acquaintance that's relatively new to shooting (at least SD, AR style guns, etc). that just bought a farm.
2. I told him if he was out on the farm shooting, and someone comes walking up to him thru the woods, his Spidey sense better start tingling (may just be your neighbor seeing what you're up to, or ?).
3. He called me one morning and said it appears to have happened to him!
He and his friend (also relatively new to the sport) were shooting their ARs on the farm when a vehicle drove a pretty good ways onto his property. They were thru shooting for the day, so they slung their ARs over their backs and rode his ATV to see what they wanted.
He said the windows on the vehicle were tinted so darkly he couldn't see in (didn't know if the driver was alone), and the driver cracked the window as little as possible in order to ask him if it would be OK if he fished in his pond.

He told him no, and politely asked him to leave his property and not come back.
Apparently, he later realized what may have just happened and called me, relating the tale (I think I just had happen to me what you warned me about!).

He said at least there were 2 of them, and they did have their ARs over their shoulders, but both guns were empty since they were thru for the day.
I told him it sounds very well like you were just probed, and if it had been me I would have:
1. Had ammo in the guns.
2. Would have told my buddy to stay to the rear of the vehicle, on the opposite side, and would have had both guns at low ready.

Let's be careful out there folks...
 
So far, I've seen no evidence that someone is more likely to be robbed of their guns than they are to be robbed of any other item. I've also seen no evidence that robberies are more likely to happen at a gun range than anywhere else. And I've seen no evidence that any of this is getting worse.

I doubt it's getting worse, and it's not something to keep you up at night. But there *was* at least one robbery attempt at the rural range I used to be a member of in Florida, and the news story about the recent exiting-the-gun-range robbery in which one gun owner was murdered, apparently *after* complying with the robbers' demands.

My point in the original post was be aware of your surroundings when leaving the range, and don't leave the range unarmed (and if all you are carrying is a bunch of empty guns, you are unarmed).
 
Unfortunately, there has been a deadly incident at the public range I used to shoot at. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-373815.html

More recently the brass rat at this same range was arrested for murder. He was a consistent presence at the range, so much so that I always felt more comfortable with him there.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/UPDATE-Two-Men-Shot-to-Death-by-Homeowner-in-Barboursville-241973841.html

These incidents were one of many reasons that motivated me to get my CHL. And I joined a private range where I always keep a weapon on my person.
 
robhof

:neener:I used to provide security for my son, when he was getting advanced dive certification in south Dade county, they trained in a fresh water lake that had frequent auto break-ins, especially when the perps saw dive flags in the water. It's amazing how fast cruise by autos would speed away, when they saw me with a tactical shotgun. I also open carried my ROA when I fished, got hassled by the Marine Patrol, but always explained that I wasn't asking for trouble and was advertising that fact for the protection of the criminal element...:evil::cuss:
 
I remember reading in the paper about an incident that happened (I think in Colorado) back in the 60's or 70's. A guy walked up on some shooters at a gun range and identified himself as an officer of the law.

He told the shooters that they were doing something illegal and that he would have to take their weapons. The shooters gave this guy their weapons and taking the weapons he then shot and killed several of them.

I made a mental note that if that ever happened to me that the so called officer would have to prove to my satisfaction that he was in fact who he said he was. Also if I was to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was an officer and I had to surrender my gun that it would be empty.
 
True & false.....

You can say what you will or won't do in a LE contact but in reality, what happens can be a lot different. :uhoh:
Cops do not like to lose. They will rush you, knock you over, restrain you then say you "resisted". :uhoh:

I've seen Cops from different areas where patrol officers hip check, strike & lunge at subjects.
Now the law or statues might be on your side but you have to go to court.
I'm not saying fold up like lawn chair or don't protect your civil rights but be smart about it. Don't speak until you get a atty & gather as much evidence as you can.
 
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