robbed in driveway after leaving gun range
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I've heard about stuff like this. Even in my little town, I now watch my 6 when I leave the range and go odd directions on my way home. [/paranoia]
SaMx
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It's in Fl., you'd think there would be a greater chance that a person leaving a gun range would have a CCW.
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I live up the street.(literally) and this is the first i heard. Thanks.
But it's no different from when two guys got robbed at gun point for there
PS3.(also up the street) If you want to be paranoid or racist; go ahead.
I know the world is just full of bastards and it doesn't matter about skin color or age.
They got guns, I got guns. Hell we all got guns!
God Bless America
Good luck!
But it's no different from when two guys got robbed at gun point for there
PS3.(also up the street) If you want to be paranoid or racist; go ahead.
I know the world is just full of bastards and it doesn't matter about skin color or age.
They got guns, I got guns. Hell we all got guns!
God Bless America
Good luck!
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Good thread
I guess these guys broke the stereotype, they're not afraid to go after the strong and armed. Changes the way we think, or at least it should. When you live in a state where guns are not outlawed or restricted ( Illinois + ? ) then one had best prepare to deal with multiple armed perps. For me this means many things, one of which is carrying a BUG + LaR (Last Resort...did I coin a new phrase?) a LaR would be the NAA, BUG & Primary in my case are interchangeable but leaving the house for drives not going to work or school would definitely mean all three, school and work days I usually take primary + LaR.
Situational awarness is the biggest. I had a very strange non-incident last week at the buffet, I caught one of the 4 gangster type staring at the charter bulge in my front jeans pocket, it was definitely printing and he knew what it was, and because I am also 'aware' knew that I had been 'made'. Cutting to the chase, the buffet is in a mall, and instead of heading straight for the car after the meal, I sauntered into the mall and confirmed that I was being stalked (I won't advertise their mistake so as to not help train no-good lurkers), after making a feint retreat which disorganized them I made a maneuver to the car on the far side of the lot, using angles as cover so that I would stay 'lost'.
I learned two things from this, staying aware is of the utmost importance and that being armed doesn't mean that the possible confrontation will be a one on one scenerio or that one displays the CCW and the perps run away, in NM, all these guys are armed, I notice their guns even in the baggy crap they wear. So just having a CCW or even being proficient with it does not take the place of dealing with the situation whilst it is still a non-incident, a little food for thought.
I guess these guys broke the stereotype, they're not afraid to go after the strong and armed. Changes the way we think, or at least it should. When you live in a state where guns are not outlawed or restricted ( Illinois + ? ) then one had best prepare to deal with multiple armed perps. For me this means many things, one of which is carrying a BUG + LaR (Last Resort...did I coin a new phrase?) a LaR would be the NAA, BUG & Primary in my case are interchangeable but leaving the house for drives not going to work or school would definitely mean all three, school and work days I usually take primary + LaR.
Situational awarness is the biggest. I had a very strange non-incident last week at the buffet, I caught one of the 4 gangster type staring at the charter bulge in my front jeans pocket, it was definitely printing and he knew what it was, and because I am also 'aware' knew that I had been 'made'. Cutting to the chase, the buffet is in a mall, and instead of heading straight for the car after the meal, I sauntered into the mall and confirmed that I was being stalked (I won't advertise their mistake so as to not help train no-good lurkers), after making a feint retreat which disorganized them I made a maneuver to the car on the far side of the lot, using angles as cover so that I would stay 'lost'.
I learned two things from this, staying aware is of the utmost importance and that being armed doesn't mean that the possible confrontation will be a one on one scenerio or that one displays the CCW and the perps run away, in NM, all these guys are armed, I notice their guns even in the baggy crap they wear. So just having a CCW or even being proficient with it does not take the place of dealing with the situation whilst it is still a non-incident, a little food for thought.
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you know what we should do...
get 10 guys together. send 2 to the range with *nice* guns, and have the other 8 wait at home with AKs and ARs in their hands. then, have the 2 from the range flash their guns as much as they can (to lure the bastards), and finally drive home... muchahahahaha ambush!
i bet you those pricks would be suprised to find themselfs surounded by 10 guys armed with AKs/ARs
what say you?
get 10 guys together. send 2 to the range with *nice* guns, and have the other 8 wait at home with AKs and ARs in their hands. then, have the 2 from the range flash their guns as much as they can (to lure the bastards), and finally drive home... muchahahahaha ambush!
i bet you those pricks would be suprised to find themselfs surounded by 10 guys armed with AKs/ARs
what say you?
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Well, if this comment was in response to my post, the "[/paranioa]" thing was a facetious comment. As George29 points out, it is called situational awareness, and is something EVERY gun owner should practice in EVERY situation where they are armed (or not).
Huh? Where does this come in? I'll assume that this one *wasn't* in response to my post. :shrug:
ZeSpectre
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Not too long ago I had one of those "brain skips" we all get once in a while.
I went to the range (nice indoor place in a not so nice urban location) with a friend and we had our usual good time, cleaned up, and left. As we were walking across the parking lot there were four "homeboy" types slouching along the sidewalk and posturing for the two girls that were present.
Now they weren't paying the least bit of attention to us so there was no issue, but it suddenly occurred to me that I had emptied my carry gun at the range and I HAD NEVER RELOADED THE MAGAZINE! <huge smack on the forehead>
I've been quite a bit more careful about that since.
I went to the range (nice indoor place in a not so nice urban location) with a friend and we had our usual good time, cleaned up, and left. As we were walking across the parking lot there were four "homeboy" types slouching along the sidewalk and posturing for the two girls that were present.
Now they weren't paying the least bit of attention to us so there was no issue, but it suddenly occurred to me that I had emptied my carry gun at the range and I HAD NEVER RELOADED THE MAGAZINE! <huge smack on the forehead>
I've been quite a bit more careful about that since.
Mike128
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Actually, it's not a bad idea on the criminals part. Think about it. Most people only leave the range when they are out of ammo. Even then the ammo is in a seperate bag than the guns. (Law in Md) Guns present but unusable due to no ammo. Victims are off their home territory, in an area where it is not unusual to see people walking around with guns, moving into an ambush. Yes situational awarness would have helped the victims but still not a bad idea on the criminal part.
FieroCDSP
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What's the law on Vigilante Ambushes in Florida? Do you think the Cops would care enough to press charges, or would they rather have these gun theives off the streets? "Officer, we were just having a get together at our friends' house here. They were late from the range, so we let ourselves in and were checking out each other's guns, when they pulled in, and those creeps jumped out of their car and ...." You get the point.
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Well,
Do you REALLY think any jurry would find you guilty? Or would any prosecutor decide to press charges? Think about it, it was you and your friends (not criminals), on private proterty, trying to do something about a very serious crime problem. How many times in the past have people held up BGs at gun point until police arrived? I see nothing wrong with being armed at home, do you? And about the ambush part, police do that every day, and so do private citizens (seen that show on TV where a guy lures sexual predators on the net, invites them to some home, and police catch them). I really think you would be in the clean, if you managed to catch the BGs. Police should give you a medal for outstanding citizen arrest.
Well?
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Earlier post about this fiound here.
Yes, yes they would.
You're new here, you probably should go up and read the post about what taking the high road means.
Yes, yes they would.
You're new here, you probably should go up and read the post about what taking the high road means.
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Jorg,
Guilty of what?
Catching a criminal while he/she commited an agrevated assault with a deadly weapon??? Silly, under FL law you can shoot at that point
Guilty of what?
Catching a criminal while he/she commited an agrevated assault with a deadly weapon??? Silly, under FL law you can shoot at that point
oceansands
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Where's the darn quote button on here?
Ahhh well. All I know is, I never ever ever ever evvvvver leave the range with an empty gun!
Most indoor ranges have windows for people to watch the other people at the firing line. One day, three black guys show up at the window, and are pointing at my guns. Now mind you, at this range I have only ever seen one other black dude.<---- (My friend Dan) I had my guns sitting out, getting ready to put them away. Do you ever watch someone out of the corner of your eye, enough so that they don't know they are being watched. I was watching them, and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Usally I walk back to the line and load my carry piece (G36) and then holster it. This time I loaded it right in front of them, then put it in my holster. I looked up right at them and smiled. Through the glass I read the lips of the closest say "F.... this" , and they made a hasty re-treat, right out the door.
When I went to pay I talked to the owner about it, and he said that those guys had been in three other times that day, each time going right to the viewing windows.
So I say all that to make this point....
When I leave the range I make sure that every jack-knob at the firing line and at the window see's my holstered gun. My carry gun is always the last one I shoot. I shoot it last in case I blow through all my ammo I still have my carry gun loaded. After shooting it, I load it back up and keep it exposed all the way to my truck.
Ahhh well. All I know is, I never ever ever ever evvvvver leave the range with an empty gun!
Most indoor ranges have windows for people to watch the other people at the firing line. One day, three black guys show up at the window, and are pointing at my guns. Now mind you, at this range I have only ever seen one other black dude.<---- (My friend Dan) I had my guns sitting out, getting ready to put them away. Do you ever watch someone out of the corner of your eye, enough so that they don't know they are being watched. I was watching them, and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Usally I walk back to the line and load my carry piece (G36) and then holster it. This time I loaded it right in front of them, then put it in my holster. I looked up right at them and smiled. Through the glass I read the lips of the closest say "F.... this" , and they made a hasty re-treat, right out the door.
When I went to pay I talked to the owner about it, and he said that those guys had been in three other times that day, each time going right to the viewing windows.
So I say all that to make this point....
When I leave the range I make sure that every jack-knob at the firing line and at the window see's my holstered gun. My carry gun is always the last one I shoot. I shoot it last in case I blow through all my ammo I still have my carry gun loaded. After shooting it, I load it back up and keep it exposed all the way to my truck.
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oceansands, maybe I'm a Pollyana, but could it be those guys had no bad intentions? Perhaps they were jobless kids with no shooting cash, and just wanted to watch the action. Then they thought you were letting them know they were unwelcome due to their race or income, or what-have-you.
But, you were there and I was not. I don't blame you for being concerned, and I might have done the same thing.
But, you were there and I was not. I don't blame you for being concerned, and I might have done the same thing.
Pilgrim
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Your problem would be sticking to your story. Invariably one member in the operation gets nervous and spills his guts.
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Dave88LX
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Unfortunately it seems in Maryland you're SOL leaving the range, no protection?
Andras
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Correct, no loaded guns in MD (off your own property/business, and very few people get carry permits.)
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I suggest you realize that things in real life aren't like they are on TV, before you post something this asinine again. You aren't a cop, nor are you Jack Bauer.
Oddly, this seems to be about the only (part of something) they got right around here. You can carry to and from the range. (Hence the proliferation of "24-hour" ranges.)
As long as I've been shooting, everyone I've known makes it a point to hold back enough ammo for at least a full load for at least one carry gun.
Often, the primary carry isn't even fired at the range. Now, wouldn't that one be a surprise? Still holstered, still chambered. Still there.
Not even just a question of protection of investment. Anyone who takes it to mind to assault you for the purpose of stealing weapons is probably entitled to a free demo and function-test.
As long as I've been shooting, everyone I've known makes it a point to hold back enough ammo for at least a full load for at least one carry gun.
Often, the primary carry isn't even fired at the range. Now, wouldn't that one be a surprise? Still holstered, still chambered. Still there.
Not even just a question of protection of investment. Anyone who takes it to mind to assault you for the purpose of stealing weapons is probably entitled to a free demo and function-test.
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QUOTE ...Do you REALLY think any jurry would find you guilty? Or would any prosecutor decide to press charges? ...QUOTE
Hell yes, they would. Two US Border Patrol agents are serving 11-12 years each for shooting an admitted Mexican drug smuggler, then not filling out the proper paperwork. The $#&^% prosecutor even cut a deal for full immunity with the smuggler to testify against the agents.
In Lorain County, Ohio, a man and women, who NEVER met each other, were convicted and sentenced to long terms in prison for molesting Head Start school children, in an investigation started by a drug-addict mother.
The prosecutor, when asked, said that his job is not to find the truth, but to get convictions. Bush made him a federal prosecutor as a reward for good work.
Google lorain ohio head start molestation bus driver to get more details.
Hell yes, they would. Two US Border Patrol agents are serving 11-12 years each for shooting an admitted Mexican drug smuggler, then not filling out the proper paperwork. The $#&^% prosecutor even cut a deal for full immunity with the smuggler to testify against the agents.
In Lorain County, Ohio, a man and women, who NEVER met each other, were convicted and sentenced to long terms in prison for molesting Head Start school children, in an investigation started by a drug-addict mother.
The prosecutor, when asked, said that his job is not to find the truth, but to get convictions. Bush made him a federal prosecutor as a reward for good work.
Google lorain ohio head start molestation bus driver to get more details.
rhubarb
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Before I leave the range, I always swab out the chamber of my carry pistol and reload. If I'm not at the range or cleaning it at home, I'm never without it and it's never unloaded. Never.
But surrounded by four armed assailants . . . that would suck even if I had my AR at hand. Best you could hope for is to shoot one or two and the others run away.
I hope this is given top priority by the police.
But surrounded by four armed assailants . . . that would suck even if I had my AR at hand. Best you could hope for is to shoot one or two and the others run away.
I hope this is given top priority by the police.
uriel
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Situational Awareness Site?
Good morning gentlemen. I'm a new member who's been lurking for a while and decided to join in. This post is a fascinating one for me, and I am looking for a website or two which covers this issue in greater depth. Here in NM when I have been to the range I always have a loaded magazine back in the gun as I step out of the door, and my spare has always been in the console.
But I must confess since I've been indoors shooting with colleagues, I haven't been as attentive to who's watching and/or following once I head out for home. Guess I have been lucky so far. But it's time to "unlearn" some bad habits, revisit basics, and pay attention.
Good morning gentlemen. I'm a new member who's been lurking for a while and decided to join in. This post is a fascinating one for me, and I am looking for a website or two which covers this issue in greater depth. Here in NM when I have been to the range I always have a loaded magazine back in the gun as I step out of the door, and my spare has always been in the console.
But I must confess since I've been indoors shooting with colleagues, I haven't been as attentive to who's watching and/or following once I head out for home. Guess I have been lucky so far. But it's time to "unlearn" some bad habits, revisit basics, and pay attention.
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