Eleven Mike
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Hi, Uriel, glad to have you.
Ha, ha, I welcomed the new guy first.
Ha, ha, I welcomed the new guy first.
robbed in driveway after leaving gun range
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Vern Humphrey
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1. Have a permit.
2. Always carry.
3. Practice being in Condition Yellow.
4. Remember returning home is a danger point -- walking in on a burglary in progress is about the most dangerous situation you can put yourself in.
5. Remeber what Kipling said, "When the field before you is clear, and you know you are sure to win, look to your flanks and rear. That's where surprises begin."
2. Always carry.
3. Practice being in Condition Yellow.
4. Remember returning home is a danger point -- walking in on a burglary in progress is about the most dangerous situation you can put yourself in.
5. Remeber what Kipling said, "When the field before you is clear, and you know you are sure to win, look to your flanks and rear. That's where surprises begin."
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All the ranges I go to here in South Florida forbid loaded guns and loaded magazines in the lobby/store area so in affect you are defenseless going to and from your car. As it happens, a lot of the ranges are also in questionable neighborhoods. So the question arises, do you ignore the signs and carry concealed and run the risk of being barred from the range if discovered or do you take your chances among the wolves.
oceansands
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Quote by Eleven Mike:
oceansands, maybe I'm a Pollyana, but could it be those guys had no bad intentions? Perhaps they were jobless kids with no shooting cash, and just wanted to watch the action. Then they thought you were letting them know they were unwelcome due to their race or income, or what-have-you.
But, you were there and I was not. I don't blame you for being concerned, and I might have done the same thing.
They very well could have been doing nothing more than checking out my gats, I mean guns. That is why after I loaded my carry piece I smiled at them. Not a screw you smile, but just a friendly "hi" smile. If they were anything but up to no good, I would have thought a smile or nod or a laugh would have came from them. I was in no way mallcios toward them. I was concerned, it made me aware of how un-aware I used to be.
Another story:
Yesterday, my wife and I took our cat to the vet. I switched from my CZ P01 to my G36. My wife looks at me and says " Your taking your gun to the Vet?" I said "Its not the Vet I'm worried about. If I was worried about him I wouldn't take the cats there. Its the perps waiting in the parking lots, and the dirt bags that might try to car jack us or even the fools that follow us home. The only worry I have about the vet is how much he is going to charge to pet our cat."
oceansands, maybe I'm a Pollyana, but could it be those guys had no bad intentions? Perhaps they were jobless kids with no shooting cash, and just wanted to watch the action. Then they thought you were letting them know they were unwelcome due to their race or income, or what-have-you.
But, you were there and I was not. I don't blame you for being concerned, and I might have done the same thing.
They very well could have been doing nothing more than checking out my gats, I mean guns. That is why after I loaded my carry piece I smiled at them. Not a screw you smile, but just a friendly "hi" smile. If they were anything but up to no good, I would have thought a smile or nod or a laugh would have came from them. I was in no way mallcios toward them. I was concerned, it made me aware of how un-aware I used to be.
Another story:
Yesterday, my wife and I took our cat to the vet. I switched from my CZ P01 to my G36. My wife looks at me and says " Your taking your gun to the Vet?" I said "Its not the Vet I'm worried about. If I was worried about him I wouldn't take the cats there. Its the perps waiting in the parking lots, and the dirt bags that might try to car jack us or even the fools that follow us home. The only worry I have about the vet is how much he is going to charge to pet our cat."
Eleven Mike
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OK.
javacodeman
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Ahh,...can someone translate please.java
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For me, yes. The indoor range I go to has these signs about no loaded weapons in the lobby, but they do not have the "No CCW sign posted." So I figure the owner knows this, and I CCW to and from the range line with it loaded. I've never had any issues with them, but I behave responsibly, police my brass, etc., etc.
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Eleven Mike
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For me, this story reminds me to carry a back-up gun and Last Resort gun (back-up back-up gun). I call it a LaR. Is that a new phrase? Anyway, the LaR would be my gun from North American Arms.
I have two good-sized guns I can use as primary or back-up. When going to school (I'm still learning to write
) or work, I only take my primary and my LaR. When I go anywhere else, I take them all.uriel
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Clubs?
Hey Eleven Mike. I just had a picture pop into my mind (the empty part) as I was reading your post. I wonder if Neolithic man had small clubs inside his tunic as he went about from cave to cave. You know, a Commander sized club and a baby Freedom Arms club tucked in his, uh, favorite secluded spot...
Hey Eleven Mike. I just had a picture pop into my mind (the empty part) as I was reading your post. I wonder if Neolithic man had small clubs inside his tunic as he went about from cave to cave. You know, a Commander sized club and a baby Freedom Arms club tucked in his, uh, favorite secluded spot...
Good post...makes me think...
I'm like a few others here, a little paranoid, so I carry (90% of the time I have 2 on me) at the range concealed and shoot something different. If I'm going to shoot one of my guns I usually carry, I just swap out and have 2 different guns on me that day.
I shoot at the same place most of the time and its off the beaten path. The guys that work there are good about keeping an eye open around the place. I've seen them go out to the parking lot to a car that someone is sitting in and question them, so I feel pretty good about the place.
I do wonder about the FL ranges not letting people carry loaded CCW's though...is it certain ranges or a state law? Is FL like TX and the sign has to be a certain way for it to be legal and is the sign legal they have up? I wouldn't go to a range that tried to ban CCW's...no way no how...
I'm like a few others here, a little paranoid, so I carry (90% of the time I have 2 on me) at the range concealed and shoot something different. If I'm going to shoot one of my guns I usually carry, I just swap out and have 2 different guns on me that day.
I shoot at the same place most of the time and its off the beaten path. The guys that work there are good about keeping an eye open around the place. I've seen them go out to the parking lot to a car that someone is sitting in and question them, so I feel pretty good about the place.
I do wonder about the FL ranges not letting people carry loaded CCW's though...is it certain ranges or a state law? Is FL like TX and the sign has to be a certain way for it to be legal and is the sign legal they have up? I wouldn't go to a range that tried to ban CCW's...no way no how...
You're not the only one who was greatly influenced by that scene!
The bad guys were waiting just around the corner and counting the good guy's rounds as he practiced. When they were sure he was empty one of them came around the bend and said, "You're empty, Mister!". Then things went real bad for the good guy.
I find it hard to believe he didn't notice that a car was following him and making all the same turns. I think I would notice something like that, but maybe that is just me. At home, I pull right into the garage anyway.
My range is private. Someone would have to stand around in plain site to pick out people. Someone has to let them in the gate also. Following me down the road and highway would be easy to spot. I used to shoot at a public range, but same issue. It would be tough for someone to follow me home without me noticing.
Either way, I agree. Hold back enough ammo to defend yourself.
As for carrying, if they don't allow loaded guns in the lobby, don't pull out your carry piece.
My range is private. Someone would have to stand around in plain site to pick out people. Someone has to let them in the gate also. Following me down the road and highway would be easy to spot. I used to shoot at a public range, but same issue. It would be tough for someone to follow me home without me noticing.
Either way, I agree. Hold back enough ammo to defend yourself.
As for carrying, if they don't allow loaded guns in the lobby, don't pull out your carry piece.
Vern Humphrey
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Guns are not magic. They will not compensate for going around with one's head up one's exhaust pipe.
Sounds like jail time to me, laying(lure?:banghead: ) in wait, looking for trouble, etc. We(gun owners, ccw permit holders) are not supposed to look for or create circumstances, where we will have to draw our weapons. Go looking for trouble, you just might find it, and more than likely end up in jail/prison with your guns gone forever. Think long and hard about that statement.please.
Best to be aware, when away from home, of those around you, always.
My policy is that my CCW doesn't get fired on a trip to the range. On range days my CCW has one purpose--personal protection. Obviously, different guns get to be my CCW depending on what I want to shoot on any given range trip.
With this policy there is never any chance my CCW is not in a state of readiness--even when I'm at the range. I think of it as preparedness rather than paranoia.
With this policy there is never any chance my CCW is not in a state of readiness--even when I'm at the range. I think of it as preparedness rather than paranoia.
Buzztail
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Yep, me too. At times it has been my SRH in .480
I think I'll start a topic like "what .480 Ruger loads for CCW" tinygnat219
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Not too long ago I had one of those "brain skips" we all get once in a while.
I went to the range (nice indoor place in a not so nice urban location) with a friend and we had our usual good time, cleaned up, and left. As we were walking across the parking lot there were four "homeboy" types slouching along the sidewalk and posturing for the two girls that were present.
Now they weren't paying the least bit of attention to us so there was no issue, but it suddenly occurred to me that I had emptied my carry gun at the range and I HAD NEVER RELOADED THE MAGAZINE! <huge smack on the forehead>
I've been quite a bit more careful about that since.
Zespectre,
Since I think I was with you that evening (I think), if it helps, I was aware and my Concealed Handgun had been reloaded. Don't worry man, I remember my buddies
fo' shizzle my griddle.
I went to the range (nice indoor place in a not so nice urban location) with a friend and we had our usual good time, cleaned up, and left. As we were walking across the parking lot there were four "homeboy" types slouching along the sidewalk and posturing for the two girls that were present.
Now they weren't paying the least bit of attention to us so there was no issue, but it suddenly occurred to me that I had emptied my carry gun at the range and I HAD NEVER RELOADED THE MAGAZINE! <huge smack on the forehead>
I've been quite a bit more careful about that since.
Zespectre,
Since I think I was with you that evening (I think), if it helps, I was aware and my Concealed Handgun had been reloaded. Don't worry man, I remember my buddies
fo' shizzle my griddle.
Working Man
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It happens..... I almost did that myself once. On the final magazine I realized
what I was doing and stopped with 2 rounds left. I had no more ammo with me.
Now I always leave a loaded magazine in the car just incase.
Thats a good idea. I think I will adopt that policy.
Tom Servo
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I used to work for a place where I was responsible for taking the previous day's deposits to the bank in the morning. I follow the same rules when going to/from the range:
If I'm shooting my carry weapon (and I usually am), then I make sure to bring an extra, clean magazine. After shooting, I run a bore-snake down the barrel, wipe down and reload before leaving the building. I park as close to the building as possible and keep my eyes open as I walk to my car.
And this is in a "good" neighborhood.
Bear in mind, guns are worth more than money to the criminal element. Also, think of how it'd feel to know that a gun of yours may be out there, being utilised for crime. No thanks.
- Be armed and have it accessible
- Vary your route
- Keep your eyes open
- Be ready and able to bolt at the sign of trouble
If I'm shooting my carry weapon (and I usually am), then I make sure to bring an extra, clean magazine. After shooting, I run a bore-snake down the barrel, wipe down and reload before leaving the building. I park as close to the building as possible and keep my eyes open as I walk to my car.
And this is in a "good" neighborhood.
Bear in mind, guns are worth more than money to the criminal element. Also, think of how it'd feel to know that a gun of yours may be out there, being utilised for crime. No thanks.
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I live in the same metro area where this robbery occurred (it happened again a few days later, same MO but they followed the victim from the SAME RANGE as the other guy, only they went at least 20+ miles away).
Most of the indoor ranges here are in bad to not so good neighborhoods. Heck, even the range that was the starting point for both of these armed robberies is in a better area than the places I used to go shoot. THe way I figure, "concealed means concealed" no matter what signs the range may have up. Concealed means my CWP piece stays undercover and I don't ask if it's ok and it stays low key in case it's needed. Yesterday leaving my private club range (outdoors) with all this hoo-la going on, I made sure the 12 gauge I was practicing with had shells in the tube mag also (chamber clear) and that I could grab it behind my seat if needed. It's a shame that things have come to this but that's just the way it is. It'd really be a waste to be coming home with all this potential defensive weaponry and have it taken from you at gunpoint because you unloaded everything and stuck it in the trunk.
Most of the indoor ranges here are in bad to not so good neighborhoods. Heck, even the range that was the starting point for both of these armed robberies is in a better area than the places I used to go shoot. THe way I figure, "concealed means concealed" no matter what signs the range may have up. Concealed means my CWP piece stays undercover and I don't ask if it's ok and it stays low key in case it's needed. Yesterday leaving my private club range (outdoors) with all this hoo-la going on, I made sure the 12 gauge I was practicing with had shells in the tube mag also (chamber clear) and that I could grab it behind my seat if needed. It's a shame that things have come to this but that's just the way it is. It'd really be a waste to be coming home with all this potential defensive weaponry and have it taken from you at gunpoint because you unloaded everything and stuck it in the trunk.
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