Straw purchase clarification question

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Probably been discussed 213123 times before but whaddayagonnado?

https://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/strawPurchase.pdf


This seems to imply that a straw purchase is when the buyer purchases a gun for someone who CAN'T LEGALLY do it himself.

Is it still a straw purchases if one person asks another to buy a gun for him and pay him back? Even if the one doing the asking is legally able to buy it?

I'm guessing it is, but just wanted to clarify.
 
As per the recent US supreme court ruling/decision.

It doesn't matter who the final recipient is, prohibited or not.

A straw purchase is when one person buys, or otherwise acquires, a firearm on behalf of another person.

The law being broken is the answer to the question :

Are YOU the ACTUAL buyer....
 
^^ Yep. The first question on the 4473 is "Are you the actual transferee", and "transferee" is regarded as the person to whom the firearm will be delivered for ownership.

An "owner", of course, is free to then deliver as a gift (or sell) the firearm to another person, provided he has no reason to believe that person is prohibited from receiving it.

Clear (as mud?)

Remember that it is never about what the law implies, but about how the law is interpreted.

A person who does not fill out the 4473 does not submit his/her name for the background check, and is therefore "unable to pass" it. That's just one way to look at it.
 
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Field Tester said:
Abramski, a LEO (formerly. He was fired 2 years before the purchase but still retained his ID and discount privileges), who purchased a Glock and then sold to a family member was charged.
He was using his LEO discount to get the gun at a reduced rate for his uncle I believe. Neither were prohibited persons.

Not exactly accurate. Abramski was given the $Money$ before he purchased the firearm. He did not "and then sold" it to his Uncle. He was paid up-front which makes it a straw, even though neither Abramski or his Uncle were prohibited persons.
 
Gifts are still legal.

But, in order to be considered a gift, no money or compensation can be exchanged for the firearm.
Bought Daddy a .25-06 a few years back, for his birthday. He loved it.

He gets me a big Yeti cooler out of the blue. Awesome cooler too, I love it.

I ask him, "It's not my birthday, what's this for?"

He says, "Well, you got me that rifle and I know it cost you a good bit, so I wanted to get you this."

:neener:
 
The straw purchase question was pretty well settled by Abramski. It's also been pretty well beaten to death in our discussions on this board.

What constitutes a straw purchase is outlined in post 23 in the thread, "What is a "Straw Purchase? (see post 23)":
Note: The Supreme Court has issued its ruling in the "straw purchase" case, Abramski v. U. S.. Based on that ruling the following explanation of what constitute a straw purchase under the ATF interpretation reflects current law. See here for a discussion of the Abramski ruling.


sota said:
...LEGALLY (folllowing all rules and regulations) buying 2* guns in my name with the explicit intent of selling 1 of those to a friend (also following all rules and regulations regarding private transfers) can not be considered a straw purchase, ...
Wrong.

dogtown tom said:
...A straw purchase is not solely "buying for a prohibited person", but buying on behalf of ANYONE else.....from a licensed dealer.
Correct.

The actual offense is violation of 18 USC 922(a)(6), making a false statement on the 4473 (specifically about who is the actual buyer), and has nothing to do with the ultimate recipient being a prohibited person.

See the ATF publication Federal Firearms Regulation Reference Guide, 2005, at page 165 (emphasis added):
15. STRAW PURCHASES

Questions have arisen concerning the lawfulness of firearms purchases from licensees by persons who use a "straw purchaser" (another person) to acquire the firearms. Specifically, the actual buyer uses the straw purchaser to execute the Form 4473 purporting to show that the straw purchaser is the actual purchaser of the firearm. In some instances, a straw purchaser is used because the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm. That is to say, the actual purchaser is a felon or is within one of the other prohibited categories of persons who may not lawfully acquire firearms or is a resident of a State other than that in which the licensee's business premises is located. Because of his or her disability, the person uses a straw purchaser who is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm from the licensee. In other instances, neither the straw purchaser nor the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm.

In both instances, the straw purchaser violates Federal law by making false statements on Form 4473 to the licensee with respect to the identity of the actual purchaser of the firearm, as well as the actual purchaser's residence address and date of birth. The actual purchaser who utilized the straw purchaser to acquire a firearm has unlawfully aided and abetted or caused the making of the false statements. The licensee selling the firearm under these circumstances also violates Federal law if the licensee is aware of the false statements on the form. It is immaterial that the actual purchaser and the straw purchaser are residents of the State in which the licensee's business premises is located, are not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms, and could have lawfully purchased firearms...

So, if --

  1. X says to Y, "Here's the money; buy that gun and then we'll do the transfer to me [when I get back to town, or whenever else].", or

  2. X says to Y, "Buy that gun and hold it for me; I'll buy from you when I get my next paycheck."
or anything similar, if Y then buys the gun, he is not the actual buyer. He is buying the gun as the agent of X, on his behalf; and X is legally the actual buyer. If Y claims on the 4473 that he is the actual buyer, he has lied and violated 18 USC 922(a)(6). His subsequently transferring the gun to X in full compliance with the law, does not erase his prior criminal act of lying on the 4473.

Some more examples --

  • If X takes his own money, buys the gun and gives the gun to someone else as a gift, free and clear without reimbursement of any kind, X is the actual purchaser; and it is not a straw purchase.

  • If X takes his money and buys the gun honestly intending to keep it for himself and later sells it to another person, X is the actual purchaser; and it is not a straw purchase.

  • If X takes his money and buys the gun intending to take it to the gun show next week to see if he might be able to sell it to someone at a profit, X is the actual purchaser; and it's not a straw purchase. He may, however have other problems if he manages to sell the gun at the gun show, and the transfer there isn't handled properly. He might also have problems if he does this sort of thing too frequently, and the ATF decides he's acting as a dealer without the necessary license.

  • If X takes his money and buys the gun with the understanding that he is going to transfer the gun to Y and that Y is going to reimburse him for it, X is not the actual purchaser. He is advancing X the money and buying the gun for and on behalf of Y, as Y's agent. So this would be an illegal straw purchase.

Whether or not a transaction is an unlawful straw purpose will often be a question of intent. But prosecutors in various situations can convince juries of intent, often from circumstantial evidence. A slip of the tongue, posting something on the Internet, tracks left by money transfers have all, in one way or another, and in various contexts, helped convince a jury of intent.


If anyone has something material to add, feel free to contact me by PM about re-opening this thread.
 
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