Walther CCP

I know someone who just picked one up and it hasn't functioned with any ammo except some +P stuff.

I think folks on the Walther forum are trying to give honest and accurate evaluations of the pistol, but so far there has been a lot of bad turned up concerning the CCP.

I've handled one in the store. Complete piece of Umarex crap. The trigger is very gritty all the way back, and there is no reset other than all the way out.

If your hands and wrists are too weak to rack a slide on most guns, you're not going to be able to handle the recoil of these small nines.

There are far better choices out there. I was disappointed by the CCP as it seemed very promising. I would have liked it Walther made it in their Ulm factory and made it the size as the old S&W 99 compact.

There is a thread on the CCP already running and active.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=773896&highlight=Walther+ccp

The Walther PPS is smaller and lighter than the Walther CCP, the Walther PPS has a much better trigger than the Walther CCP and the Walther PPS is actually made by Walther.

HexHead said:

I've handled one in the store. Complete piece of Umarex crap. The trigger is very gritty all the way back, and there is no reset other than all the way out.

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C0untZer0 said:

The Walther PPS is smaller and lighter than the Walther CCP, the Walther PPS has a much better trigger than the Walther CCP and the Walther PPS is actually made by Walther.

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It's garbage. Saying that hurt a couple of people's feelings before, but it's the truth.

Some of The very early serial number guns had ammo problems , but those above 8000 in serial numbers are much better according to Walther CCP forum. The tolerances of these gas-delayed- blowback pistols must be just right with the breech block or ammo problems will prevail, as we have seen with the roll-out of the Remington R51. Engineers at Remington warned Freedom about this but top management would not listen and they ended up with egg on their face. Hopefully the Scheduled June roll-out of the improved gas block will be better. I am keeping my fingers crossed . Mean time I will keep shooting my trusty H&K P7 which is one of the best pistols I have in 9mm.

That said, the real question that has to be answered, is whether Remington and Walther will invest in the quality control necessary to produce a gas-delayed- blowback pistol. So far they have not.

"The tolerances of these gas-delayed- blowback pistols must be just right with the breech block or ammo problems will prevail, as we have seen with the roll-out of the Remington R51."
Exactly what does the R51 have in common with the CCP, other than poor manufacture of course (moreso in the case of Remington)? It's a hammer fired locked breech gun with a tilting breechbolt. Remington failing to cut chambers properly was about 3/4 of the problem; did Umarex do a similarly bad job on the chambers here?

For those who've shot them, how does fired brass look and how far does it fly? Is the chamber fluted?

TCB

The Walther Forum CCP can answer most questions. The CCP seems to be a mixed bag , some people have had ammo cycling problems while others have no problems and no complaints. Some videos available by "WildBill" 45 showing the shooting by weak hand women etc. The one woman says the recoil is very mild and can rack the slide easily. WildBill 45 swears by the two he has. However , This is not the Wildbill Hickok on many you tube videos.

After reading the ongoing thread at the Walther forum regarding ongoing issues with the CCP you won't only be steered away from the gun, you should be running from it.

I'm on the Walther forum. I was interested in a CCP, but the reviews there have led me to wait a year and then I'll see if it's up to snuff yet.

Schlegel, like you I am interested in this type of pistol and will wait to see what happens. Both Remington and Walther have invested too much in their new pistol and their reputation is on the line . Hopefully they will correct the problem. Lesser companies have done the same.

I think it might be more accurate to say that Umarex has staked Walther's reputation on the gun. One way or the other this gun needs fixing.

posted by Barnbwt, "Remington's failure to cut chambers properly were 3/4 of the problem." Not according to William Smalley Chief Rem engineer as posted in "Guns and gear Jan 22, 2015 He said "the main problem was the tolerances of the locking block". " If dimensions are not controlled then tolerance stacking occurs." New guns are being made inn the Huntsville plant not in Charlotte NC.

"Both Remington and Walther have invested too much in their new pistol"
On the contrary...

"If dimensions are not controlled then tolerance stacking occurs"
Oh, so my chamber (and countless others) weren't reamed with something resembling a worn out endmill. Got it. The reamer wouldn't go even half way down into my chamber, nor did it even contact one side of the egg-shaped opening until the last bit of chamber was re-cut. Explains all the stuck slides and OOB discharges experienced by many. The bolt was MIM, and therefore held some of the tightest tolerances in the guns.

If Rem still doesn't think chambers were the primary issue, I won't bother trading up for a gen 2 R51.

TCB

You said that 3/4 of the problem was with the chamber. That is not what was reported in "Guns and Gear". I am not saying the chambers did not have problems , just that it was not the major problem with the Rem R51. If you do not accept it from the "horses mouth " from Remington ,that is your decision, as I stand by my research on this topic.

The Walther PPS is smaller and lighter than the Walther CCP, the Walther PPS has a much better trigger than the Walther CCP and the Walther PPS is actually made by Walther.

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THIS x1000.

The CCP does nothing that the Walther PPS doesn't already do much, much better.

People who have both on the Walther forum say the CCP is much easier to rack and recoils less than the PPS.

The problems that beset the CCP and R51 are not insurmountable. There are many pistols in the market today that are a testament to that.

The problems that beset the CCP and R51 are not insurmountable

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I wish WalMAREX the best of luck.

The Walther CCP may be more controllable than the PPS in 9mm,with half-a-inch more barrel length of improvement in ballistics and aim. It is very nicely sized for a single stack carried OWB. Obviously the PPS has it beat on IWB alone.

The market for downsized handguns in large and growing. Even Glock has now caved on the issue. UMAREX will not let this gun fail and tarnish the Walther name. Unless all is lost at corporate HQ.

People who have both on the Walther forum say the CCP is much easier to rack and recoils less than the PPS.

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At the price of crude machining, unreliability, cheaper polymer quality, potential dead trigger issues, and a pointless manual safety.

Frankly, I've never found the PPS to have a stout recoil. It's rather soft-shooting for its size, and certainly shoots like a much larger gun.