jcwit
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Right you are, and the Beeman R1 is in the same league.
Only thing is I purchased mine 30 some years ago for around $200.00.
Only thing is I purchased mine 30 some years ago for around $200.00.
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Pete D.
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I really like PCPs...own three of them. One runs at 2kpsi and the others at 3kpsi.
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Nowadays, I use a shoebox compressor and a CF tank.
Pete
I really like PCPs...own three of them. One runs at 2kpsi and the others at 3kpsi.
Questions and observations:
Hand pump to 4500PSI? You have one of those pumps? Which? On my wish list that is. Pumping that much,however, - even to 3kpsi - is work. You make it sound easy. Its not. I filled a 6 cu. ft pony bottle to 3kpsi with a hand pump.....it was work and it took nearly an hour.
Nowadays, I use a shoebox compressor and a CF tank.
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Pump the gun to 2000 PSI, and use the tank to top off the rifle when I get to 1200 PSI. You get a lot of refills from the tank this way. I'd never try to pump a tank or rifle to 4500 PSI. Like I said use the tank for "Refills" i.e. top the air tube off back up to 2000 PSI, and carry a 12 cubic foot 4500 PSI tank for when you are in the woods hunting.
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I know that we both like PCP guns. We have similar ideas about charging and use. That being noted...you just wrote that you would never Hand pump a tank to 4500 psi. Understandable.
"A 4500 12 Cubic Feet would be great for the woods after you filled it with the hand pump."?
Ok - you did not say that you did, just that it would be nice.
I may pick up one of those 4,5kpsi pumps sooner than evpected
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"A 4500 12 Cubic Feet would be great for the woods after you filled it with the hand pump."?
Ok - you did not say that you did, just that it would be nice.
I may pick up one of those 4,5kpsi pumps sooner than evpected
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Pete, they have them at Airguns of Arizona. They are not cheap, but are carbon fiber. We have a scuba shop here that will fill the 75 Cubic Feet tanks for $5, and the 12 cubic feet for $2.
So you don't have to buy an air compressor that costs $800-$1200 to get the tank filled. Just find a scuba shop that fills tanks. Easy as pie, and a lot less expensive. At AoA they have a calculator that also helps with how many refills you can get out of your tank. Check that out as well. That is some very useful information, and if you haven't already go and get the software application by Hawke Scopes call Chairgun Pro. It is free, and it also gives you an efficiency calculator for your PCP. I am so ready for those guys over at airgunlab.com to get the new shop fixed up so I can put the double tube on my Discovery. I am going to also trim down the velocity about 40 fps so I can get more shots per fil. I am averaging right at 815 feet per second with the 18.1 JSB pellets. I'd like to get that down to around 770 fps. I don't think I'd loose much in fpe, but would gain a lot of shots. Especially with the extra tube. Making my Benjamin Discovery into a Disco Double.
With a 12 cu. ft. tank at 4500 PSI I can get 31.5 refills if I refill my tank when my gun gets to 1300 psi. So I hand pump to 2000 psi on my Discovery. Shoot to 1300 psi or 1200 psi, and refill back to 2000 pis in the field.
The Omega 75 cu. ft. is very expensive, but it is only 2' long and 10 lbs.. With that tank I can refill my Discovery 196 times in the field or at home before I have to have it refilled by the scuba shop for a whopping $5 per fill.
In the long run over the lifetime of the than, 15 years, the cost is spread out making it worth the cost. I guess.
Also, for home you can use a 3000 psi, 75 cu. ft. the same way. they are heavier. The 3000 psi tank will give me 118 refills, but weighs much more.
There are many different carbon fiber tanks. There is an AirHog that is 17 cu. ft. 4500 psi that cost $300, but that is without any valves, etc.
Do some research, and I am sure you'll get what you need. Good luck.
So you don't have to buy an air compressor that costs $800-$1200 to get the tank filled. Just find a scuba shop that fills tanks. Easy as pie, and a lot less expensive. At AoA they have a calculator that also helps with how many refills you can get out of your tank. Check that out as well. That is some very useful information, and if you haven't already go and get the software application by Hawke Scopes call Chairgun Pro. It is free, and it also gives you an efficiency calculator for your PCP. I am so ready for those guys over at airgunlab.com to get the new shop fixed up so I can put the double tube on my Discovery. I am going to also trim down the velocity about 40 fps so I can get more shots per fil. I am averaging right at 815 feet per second with the 18.1 JSB pellets. I'd like to get that down to around 770 fps. I don't think I'd loose much in fpe, but would gain a lot of shots. Especially with the extra tube. Making my Benjamin Discovery into a Disco Double.
With a 12 cu. ft. tank at 4500 PSI I can get 31.5 refills if I refill my tank when my gun gets to 1300 psi. So I hand pump to 2000 psi on my Discovery. Shoot to 1300 psi or 1200 psi, and refill back to 2000 pis in the field.
The Omega 75 cu. ft. is very expensive, but it is only 2' long and 10 lbs.. With that tank I can refill my Discovery 196 times in the field or at home before I have to have it refilled by the scuba shop for a whopping $5 per fill.
In the long run over the lifetime of the than, 15 years, the cost is spread out making it worth the cost. I guess.
Also, for home you can use a 3000 psi, 75 cu. ft. the same way. they are heavier. The 3000 psi tank will give me 118 refills, but weighs much more.
There are many different carbon fiber tanks. There is an AirHog that is 17 cu. ft. 4500 psi that cost $300, but that is without any valves, etc.
Do some research, and I am sure you'll get what you need. Good luck.
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Too late. I already have a shoebox 4500 psi compressor....so that is taken care of....and a small CF tank.
i like to have redundancy of a sort, hence my interest in a hand pump that will reach 4500 psi. (i have three of the 3Kpsi pumps, a pony bottle at 3Kpsl and an 80 Ft. 3kpsi tank.
And two CO2 tanks.
Pete
How long have you had the shoebox? How do you like it.....I am looking very hard at one.
Yes...and oil free as well, guess if you compress air that high it gets a little cough----warm----cough. And if any oil is in there it could be a big bucket of bad.
No real worries however my pan cake compressor is oil free and I think puts out enough air.
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Just got my very first springer - an XS-25 in .22 tuned by Mike M. at Flying Dragon (bought used from a GTA member). I'm an AG noob but have purchased a 1322 and some PCPs. I NEVER thought I'd buy a Boinker - that would be going backwards!
But am I glad I did!
Right out of the box, i shot dime sized groups at 12 yards and I can't wait to field test it. It had very little recoil or vibration and I didn't find it to be hold sensitive at all. Maybe Mike's tune tamed it?
Anyway, still love my pumper and PCPs, but there's just something about grabbing a gun, tin of pellets and cocking it once for 15fpe! The AG world has so much to offer. I own many powder burners, including AKs, but I'm having so much fun with AGs and will be hunting squirrels this season - probably with ALL of them - even the 1322 (at under 25 yards)!
Just got my very first springer - an XS-25 in .22 tuned by Mike M. at Flying Dragon (bought used from a GTA member). I'm an AG noob but have purchased a 1322 and some PCPs. I NEVER thought I'd buy a Boinker - that would be going backwards!
But am I glad I did!Right out of the box, i shot dime sized groups at 12 yards and I can't wait to field test it. It had very little recoil or vibration and I didn't find it to be hold sensitive at all. Maybe Mike's tune tamed it?
Anyway, still love my pumper and PCPs, but there's just something about grabbing a gun, tin of pellets and cocking it once for 15fpe! The AG world has so much to offer. I own many powder burners, including AKs, but I'm having so much fun with AGs and will be hunting squirrels this season - probably with ALL of them - even the 1322 (at under 25 yards)!
^ Yeah, I get it. I don't really need range or power in an airgun. If I'm in the open with a good backstop, it's because I'm at the range, and I can shoot w/e I want.
I am trying to talk myself into a PCP, though. I just can't find I want. Essentially I want a BSA Ultra SE, (a super short "SBR" with a repeating clip, just big enough to hold a scope, properly) but with an integral shroud and power of 5-7 FPE.
Right now, my Ruger Explorer is the closest thing I have to fitting that bill. Despite not being able to keep them quite on a quarter at 10 yards, it's my most used airgun. It's just plain fun. I have put about 3000 pellets thru it in less than a month.
I am trying to talk myself into a PCP, though. I just can't find I want. Essentially I want a BSA Ultra SE, (a super short "SBR" with a repeating clip, just big enough to hold a scope, properly) but with an integral shroud and power of 5-7 FPE.
Right now, my Ruger Explorer is the closest thing I have to fitting that bill. Despite not being able to keep them quite on a quarter at 10 yards, it's my most used airgun. It's just plain fun. I have put about 3000 pellets thru it in less than a month.
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Pretty close. I suppose detuning it would be a matter of lightening the hammer and/or taking some coils off the hammer spring. I dunno how accurate it would be after that.
I would prefer a 177 with a montecarlo stock. But then maybe I'm just dreaming. No one wants a 6 FP PCP carbine, lol. I might just play with a CO2 rifle, instead. I am not fond of swelled seals and CO2 cooling effect, though. The Talon SS in 177 has the shroud, but I read that the power adjuster doesn't do anything on the current guns, and I don't want to mount the scope 2-3 inches above the barrel, due to shooting very short distances. I really don't care for the looks/ergos, either. The BSA Ultra SE blows my whistle. If it had an integral shroud, I might take the chance at messing with the hammer/valve and probably having to fill it to lower pressure to get where I want.
I just love shooting the short, 4.5 lb Explorer with a good scope, even though I can shoot circles around it with my 1377 pistol!
I would prefer a 177 with a montecarlo stock. But then maybe I'm just dreaming. No one wants a 6 FP PCP carbine, lol. I might just play with a CO2 rifle, instead. I am not fond of swelled seals and CO2 cooling effect, though. The Talon SS in 177 has the shroud, but I read that the power adjuster doesn't do anything on the current guns, and I don't want to mount the scope 2-3 inches above the barrel, due to shooting very short distances. I really don't care for the looks/ergos, either. The BSA Ultra SE blows my whistle. If it had an integral shroud, I might take the chance at messing with the hammer/valve and probably having to fill it to lower pressure to get where I want.
I just love shooting the short, 4.5 lb Explorer with a good scope, even though I can shoot circles around it with my 1377 pistol!
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I wouldn't go cutting springs or machining on the hammer, they are adjustable.
Page 6&7 of the manual.
http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/1720T-515.pdf
Page 6&7 of the manual.
http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/1720T-515.pdf
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You want a air rifle for target & plinking that is accurate??
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/air-rifles/sporter-air-rifles/
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/air-rifles/sporter-air-rifles/
Actually, I'd think that most target rifles are close to that.... Many of them really don't shoot very fast. Of course, those are pretty expensive....
Have you thought about an air force edge or a crosman challenger? Or are those too pricy?
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That Crosman Challenger is a fine looking rifle, and has good reviews.
Single stroke pneumatics are part of the reason I am having a hard time buying a PCP for my intended purpose. It is hard to justify a Challenger or Edge if you can get close to the same thing by pumping a lever, once.
I figured with just a little more power, repeating magazine, short barrel, and integral shroud, a PCP would have enough added features, and it might even be practical to fill with a hand pump.
Good read on the manual, thanks. What I gather, one would likely need a smaller transfer port in addition to adjusting the hammer settings if trying to reduce power as much as I am thinking. And it sounds like it wouldn't be possible to get hundreds of shots at lower power, because you also need to reduce fill pressure.
I figured with just a little more power, repeating magazine, short barrel, and integral shroud, a PCP would have enough added features, and it might even be practical to fill with a hand pump.
Good read on the manual, thanks. What I gather, one would likely need a smaller transfer port in addition to adjusting the hammer settings if trying to reduce power as much as I am thinking. And it sounds like it wouldn't be possible to get hundreds of shots at lower power, because you also need to reduce fill pressure.
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Back to the CMP Daisy, accuracy? Check here.
http://www.airguns.net/reviews_daisy853.php
http://www.airgunclub.org/club-tests---rifles.html
Check out the non CMP one, it comes with 2 five shot clips. Also check out the target. Only thing you need to worry about running out of is quality pellets.
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