1,000 Yards with a $100 Scope

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3 impacts in a row at 1,004 yards using a $100 Nikon Buckmasters II 3-9x40 scope with BDC. Target is about a 16” rock. Leupold scope rings. Ruger American Predator chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. No fancy reticles or turrets. Just holding over using the BDC for reference. Using the Nikon Spot On app for assistance as well. 140 grain Hornady ELD Match ammunition. Target footage using a Phone Skope U2 universal adapter on a Pursuit 20-60x60 ST spotting scope mated to an iphone 7. Caldwell Matrix shooting rest. Range verified with a Leupold rangefinder.
 
Got a similar setup, Mossberg Patriot 6.5 Creedmoor and Burris 3x9/40. So far, very accurate with Hornady American Hunter 140 grain ammo. Yet to purchase a Die and experiment with powders and bullets. Any recommendations?
 
Why not? Skilled shooter, decent equipment, good conditions, etc. - more refined/ expensive rig simply adds polish to the process. It is a neat thought to know that it is not necessary to have exceptional financial means to shoot well and have fun - neat stuff!
 
Good job. As long as the scope is clear and accurate it should work. While 1000 yards is considerably longer than 600 yards, back in the day with M-14 we hit man size targets at 600 yards prone off sand bags at 600 Meters issue rifles, standard sights, and ammo.
 
There are few things I would say I am a snob on and glass is one of them. IMHO a Leupold is a good middle of the road scope....it you want a good scope there is (again IMHO) only one name Swarovski. However not everyone wants to pay the price of a good used car on glass.....they will however spend that good used car money on everything else and then put OK glass on said rifle....why do you scrimp in this area...you have a $5000 rifle and you put cheap glass on it....it deserves really GOOD glass.

Anyhoo with that rant over.

Inexpensive glass has really come a LONG way.....like with everything else the bar at the bottom of the pile keeps getting moved up and up. I have some real cheap, not inexpensive but cheap glass on some of my air rifles.....and really the glass is pretty darn nice.....good enough for 100 yards anyway, and for my air guns that is about the max.

It really is amazing just how good the glass is.....to the point where you see "the cheapest scope tested" on amazon do very very well and then the "reviewer" destroys it by doing something stupid to it. That just pisses me off. Here is a product you tested....you put it in the freezer then out into the 100f 99% humidity Mississippi day and got no internal fog......and you shoot an arrow through it at the end.

Sure we don't know how the turret adjustments will hold up over the long haul....but really at this price point is there a long haul for this item.

I guess what I am saying is the really good stuff out there is still where it is at...the top of the food chain, Zeiss, Swarovski.....but the distance between the middle of the road Leupold, vortex, and the bottom.....well it is getting closer together.

The few items I have with good glass....even if now nearing 30 years old, is just so much more clear, crisp, bright over this other "good" stuff that even their owners can see it, and quickly dismiss it by saying well that cost X while this only cost 2/3 of what that cost......really why not go the extra 1/3 and get something this good.....well I don't need it....really lets now look through this bushnell and see how it looks next to your trijicon or nightforce.

And yes I know there are "nice" bushness scopes....but I think all but the most thick headed will get the point.
 
The OP is shooting 1000 yards with a Ruger.... your dreaded nemesis.... with $100 scope.


I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by mentioning $5000 rifles and being good enough for air guns to 100 yards.
 
Nobody who knows anything will argue that inexpensive scopes cannot be used to make impacts at long range. It’s a scope - a piece of tubing with a reticle inside... Systemically, 1,000 yard targets are typically bigger, proportionately (angular subtension), than short range targets out of necessity. Seeing the target is rarely the issue, so even low quality glass can deliver impacts in better-than-challenging environmental conditions. A shooter might not be able to resolve impact splashes or clearly observe mirage, and target edges may get lost to aberration, but getting bullets on targets really isn’t so difficult.
 
Nicely done, OP!

Shooting partner and I put up a similar vid a few years ago. Ruger M77 Hawkeye in 308, Nikon Buckmasters scope, and made consistent hits at 1000m. It didn’t occur to us to film it at first, so I think we only filmed the one.

It does NOT take expensive glass to do such things. Had we been dialing a bunch for competitions with it, then we’d have needed a _durable_ scope, but still not one with pricey glass.
 
MZ5 said:
and made consistent hits at 1000m
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"consistent hits" is a vague term. Those hits are often predicated on numerous misses leading up to the "consistent hits". There are many situations that don't allow you to walk shots in and that's where quality glass, a good reticle and repeatable adjustments can greatly increase the odds of first round hits on various sized targets at various ranges. None of this takes anything away from the entertainment value of the OPs video.
 
MCMXI said:
"consistent hits" is a vague term. Those hits are often predicated on numerous misses leading up to the "consistent hits". There are many situations that don't allow you to walk shots in and that's where quality glass, a good reticle and repeatable adjustments can greatly increase the odds of first round hits on various sized targets at various ranges. None of this takes anything away from the entertainment value of the OPs video.
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Depending on target size, the bdc reticles can get consistent first round hits with good previous dope workups. I've also seen some very good long range shooters with iron sights from prone and sitting positions during military matches at known distances get consistent hits with everything from 1903s and 91/30s to ARs. This all comes down to knowing the distance, conditions, and what has happened in the past with your specific gun and load.
 
First round hits at 1,000 have very, very little to do with the reticle or the range. Anyone who knows their muzzle velocity, DA, and ballistic coefficient is most likely only going to be off target at 1,000 due to WIND, not range. So the reticle, BDC or milling, isn’t contributing there. Physics rarely disappoint you, so Range Correction is just a calculation if you have good data. The WIND Correction at 1,000 is what will slap you in the face with a dead skunk. No doubt, given good data inputs, StrelokPro, AB Mobile, SpotOn, or 4DoF will get you within a couple clicks at 1,000, and when guys are shooting 2-4moa targets, it’s not the range correction. But if you’re eyeballing an 8mph wind as 5mph called, you end up 20” downwind off POA, with no alibi.

Naturally, for reading wind through your scope, a bit better glass is purty’ handy...
 
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